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HomeMy WebLinkAbout02-04-2026 - HEX Decision - Windsor plat and site plan Appendix AThis transcript was exported on Feb 04, 2026 - view latest version here. Appendix A -- Windsor Plat 1 (Completed 02/04/26) Transcript by Rev.com Page 1 of 13 Appendix A January 20, 2026, Hearing Transcript Windsor Court Preliminary Plat and Site Plan File No. – LUA25-000148 Note: This is a computer-generated transcript provided for informational purposes only. The reader should not take this document as 100% accurate or take offense at errors created by the limitations of the programming in transcribing speech. A recording of the hearing is available from the City should anyone need an accurate rendition of the hearing testimony. Examiner Olbrechts (00:07): Okay. Hello everyone. My name's Phil Albright. I'm the hearing examiner for the City of Renton and today holding a hearing on a preliminary plat and site plan application for 20 lot subdivision. The hearing format today is we'll have a presentation from city staff that's Ms. Sting will give us an overview of the project. She wrote up the staff report for this and made the recommendation for approval. After her comments, we'll move on to applicant comments if they want to say anything in favor of their application. That would be done after Ms. Sting is completed. Applicants, you don't have to speak if you don't want to, but if you do want to say something, that would be the time. Then after that we'll move on to public comments. And it looks like we may have some members of the public here on this one, so we'll make sure that all of you who are participating virtually, we'll have an opportunity to speak. (00:54): We'll explain how to be heard when we get to that part of the hearing. Once we're done with public comments, we go back to Ms. Sting who's there to answer your questions, members of the public if you had any questions. And she also has the opportunity to complete the record for any rebuttal evidence. She finds necessary applicants get final word and final opportunity for rebuttal evidence. And then after that I get 10 business days, which is a couple weeks usually to issue a final decision. And if any of you participating today, do want to get a copy of that final decision emailed to you, be sure to let Mr. Ros know what your email address is. And Mr. Ros that you can see, she has her email address behind her head there. It's Jason sros@rentonlaw.gov. Like I said, just go ahead, email her your email address and we'll get that final decision to you. (01:42): That decision is appealable to Superior Court if done so within 21 days of issuance. So those are the basics. Let's see. By state law, I'm only allowed to consider evidence that's put in the record. I don't get to talk to the applicant or staff or anybody opposed to the project. All the information that I have about this project is so far just based on the staff report and exhibits that Ms. Sting put together for me. And Mrs. Nero, she's been through this a few times. I knew I wanted to take a look at the exhibit list, which she's posted on the screen there. You can see there's a bit of work that goes into these hearings. We've got the Environmental review committee. The city has a committee put together that does the environmental review to determine if an environmental impact statement needs to be done or if any mitigation measures need to be imposed to offset environmental impacts. We've got a site plan building floor plans, the environmental checklist used by the environmental committee to evaluate environmental impacts. We've got This transcript was exported on Feb 04, 2026 - view latest version here. Appendix A -- Windsor Plat 1 (Completed 02/04/26) Transcript by Rev.com Page 2 of 13 Speaker 3 (02:43): Track bergs. I have the wrong screen here. Oh, actually I don't have all the, let me pull up that exhibit list. Just give me one moment. I have the wrong one. Examiner Olbrechts (02:54): Alright, yeah, we've got two hearings today and that's probably Speaker 3 (02:58): The exhibit Examiner Olbrechts (02:59): List for the other one, which is fine. This list will probably be a little longer actually. That's coming up. Speaker 3 (03:15): Okay, here we go. Okay, here's Speaker 4 (03:30): The correct one. Examiner Olbrechts (03:33): Alright. Yep. As I predicted a little bit longer probably we got kind of the same thing there. The Environmental Review committee reports civil plan set, which shows the layout of the lots. The geotechnical analysis was done, critical area, that's for review of environmentally sensitive areas, make sure their buffers are properly imposed, that kind of thing. A technical information report is a drainage analysis. We've got trip generation, which is the traffic review Department of Ecology, sent the city a few comments as did the Duwamish tribe, king County Public Health and so on. And then transportation concurrency, which means that the city evaluated whether it's congestion standards were met for this project as well. So that's a total of 18 on that list. And we got a couple more. We have the, where's the other ones? I just got the other, this Speaker 3 (04:22): One right here. The hearing examiner. Examiner Olbrechts (04:26): Yeah, the list before was just 18 and now we see that we're jumping to 30. Speaker 5 (04:31): Goodness. Just a second. Examiner Olbrechts (04:33): Okay. Once we get past the exhibit list, it's not too complicated. Speaker 3 (04:56): This transcript was exported on Feb 04, 2026 - view latest version here. Appendix A -- Windsor Plat 1 (Completed 02/04/26) Transcript by Rev.com Page 3 of 13 There's other part here. Examiner Olbrechts (04:58): Okay. Alright. And then, yeah, more environmental reviews, civil plans, and kind of looks like just more updated letters. Also, some tree analysis was done as well. And water availability from Seas Creek Water District. Now finally, let's go to the final list. Alright, and we got some comments from the city of Kent. We got the staff PowerPoint and then the core maps that city of Rent maps available at the city's website, which gives the aerial photographs, the zoning and the location of critical areas, that kind of thing. As well as Google Earth, which is another set of aerial maps. So a total of 33 documents have been presented for admission at this point. Just want to ask if anyone needs to see any of those or would like those or has any objections to their entry in the record. If you do, just click on the raise hand button at the bottom of your screen. And we usually don't have any objections, not seeing any this time. So I'll go ahead then and admit exhibits one through 33. So with that, Ms. Ding, let's finally get to you. Lemme swear you in. Just raise your right hand. Do you swear affirm to tell the truth, nothing but the truth in this proceeding? Speaker 4 (06:06): I do. Examiner Olbrechts (06:06): Okay, great. Go ahead. Speaker 4 (06:09): All right, thank you. Okay, Speaker 3 (06:17): So let's hope, Speaker 4 (06:23): Oops. Okay. Are you seeing my PowerPoint or is it in presentation mode? Examiner Olbrechts (06:29): It's presentation mode right now. Speaker 4 (06:31): All right, so I need to Speaker 3 (06:36): Try again. Okay. Okay. Speaker 4 (07:03): That's not quite right. That's still presentation mode, isn't it? Examiner Olbrechts (07:07): This transcript was exported on Feb 04, 2026 - view latest version here. Appendix A -- Windsor Plat 1 (Completed 02/04/26) Transcript by Rev.com Page 4 of 13 Yes. Yeah, Speaker 3 (07:32): Just change the display Speaker 4 (07:33): Settings. Display settings there. Does that work? Examiner Olbrechts (07:41): No. Oh, now it does. Yes, Speaker 4 (07:43): It worked. Okay, good. Excellent. Okay, so good morning. This is Jill Ding, senior planner with the city of Renton. Here to present the staff recommendation for the Windsor Court preliminary plat. The file number is LUA 25 dash 0 0 1 48. And just to start off with a brief description, the applicant is requesting preliminary plat approval as well as hearing examiner site plan review for a 20 lot subdivision. The project site is located within the R 14 zone. It's approximately two and a half acres in area. There are two existing single family homes and accessory structures located in the site. These are all proposed for removal. There is an offsite stream. It is a type F or fish bearing stream that is mapped to the east as well as to the north of the project site. The site is located within a wellhead protection area, zone one modified, and there are onsite slopes with grades between 15 and 25%. (08:59): The proposal includes a 20 lot subdivision for single family lots. There are two tracks, proposed tracks A and B. There's a new 53 foot wide public right of way off of a hundred eighth Avenue Southeast or SR five 15. There's a dedicated open space proposed within track A and there are two 16 foot wide alleys located within tracks A and B. They would provide vehicular access to lots, one through three and 20 as well as lots four through nine. Joint use. Driveways are proposed to serve lots 10 through, let's see, 15 and 18 and 19. (09:52): The city initiated a 14 day public comment period on May 21st. That ended on June 16th. We did receive comments from the Dwell Tribe, department of Ecology, king County Public Health, and the Washington State Department of Transportation on December 9th. The Environmental review committee issued a determination of non-significant mitigated for the project, and that included four mitigation measures. The proposal was reviewed by staff and it was determined that the proposal would be compliant with the preliminary plat and site plan review criteria. The proposal is consistent or compliant with the relevant comprehensive plan, land use element policies, all applicable zoning regulations if all conditional conditions of approval are complied with. And like I said, the preliminary plat and site plan review criteria, again, if all conditions of approval are complied with, we did route the proposal to other departments for review. Police and fire prevention staff indicate that sufficient resources exist to serve the proposed development. Water and sewer service will be provided by the Sues Creek Water and Sewer district. A technical information report or drainage report was submitted if that report was prepared by ESM Consulting Engineering. The project includes an underground detention facility and a proprietary enhanced media filter system to meet flow control and water quality requirements. The proposal will be required to comply with the City of Rent's current surface water design manual. So in This transcript was exported on Feb 04, 2026 - view latest version here. Appendix A -- Windsor Plat 1 (Completed 02/04/26) Transcript by Rev.com Page 5 of 13 conclusion, staff is recommending approval of the Windsor Court preliminary plat as depicted in Exhibit 21, and there are 16 recommended conditions of approval. Speaker 3 (12:03): Any Speaker 4 (12:03): Questions Examiner Olbrechts (12:05): More of kind of a code question? Kind of curious, it seems a little odd to require site plan review for a residential subdivision. Is that required basically for all residential subdivisions in this zoning district? Speaker 4 (12:17): Yeah, it's all development in the R 14 zone. And it is unusual because I don't have any buildings to evaluate Speaker 3 (12:26): For Speaker 4 (12:26): Compliance with site plan review, but I didn't see an exemption for it. Examiner Olbrechts (12:34): Right, right. Okay. Okay. Yeah, I would think that the subdivision criteria pretty much covers everything that you need to cover in site plan review anyway ultimately. Right. So Speaker 4 (12:42): Correct. Examiner Olbrechts (12:43): A little bit of a duplication there, but okay. Yes. Alright. Interesting. Alright, well let's move on to applicant's. Anyone on the applicant team want to say anything at this point? I don't need to swear in anyone who wants to speak. Oh, there you go. Yeah, I was just going to say, you're muted, sir. Let me swear you in real quick. Just raise your right hand. Do you swear affirm to tell the truth, nothing but the truth in this proceeding? Yes, I do. Okay, great. And for the record, sir, what's your name? Speaker 6 (13:10): Tom Deto. Examiner Olbrechts (13:11): Okay. Alright, Mr. Deto, go ahead. Speaker 6 (13:14): This transcript was exported on Feb 04, 2026 - view latest version here. Appendix A -- Windsor Plat 1 (Completed 02/04/26) Transcript by Rev.com Page 6 of 13 Okay. I'm the consultant for the owners who and Liz tt. They've hired me to push the process through the city of Renton for preliminary plat approval and then we're going to follow with civil engineering approval. Also, attending this meeting is our engineer, Lauren Barton Hagen with ESM, and she can answer any specific or technical questions on the project. We did have a neighborhood meeting back in March of last year. Several neighbors attended. The main concerns that were expressed were the condition of the property because it was kind of junky and some cars that were left there to rot and stuff like that. We did follow up with the owners and I think there was some progress made on that. (14:13): They also wanted to make sure that the construction hours for the project were complied with, which obviously we would have to comply with. They want to know if the project was going to be fenced and the answer is yes. And most of these neighbors were on hundred seventh, which is the right of way to the west of the property that we do not have the right to access and they just want to confirm that. And then there would also not be any construction vehicles using that road, which is confirmed because it's not allowed, so can't do it. The project is under construction with MTT homes and they're a local family owned company, but they're very highly rated in the master builders rankings. And so they might even be listening to this, but they're great and they'll be very accommodating. So that's about all I have for now, and if someone wants to ask questions or whatever, I can answer or I can answer. Examiner Olbrechts (15:32): Okay. Just on your fence comment, I mean, is the fence integrated into the civil plans for the proposal or because I don't see anything, I don't see a fence mentioned in the staff report except for the block wall. Speaker 6 (15:47): Yeah, I don't think there's any drawings for a fence. It just was a question by the neighbors. They wanted to make sure it was fenced for their own Examiner Olbrechts (15:58): Purpose. Okay. And so what you're saying is the developer intends on putting a perimeter fence around the entire property, is that correct? Speaker 6 (16:07): Yes. Examiner Olbrechts (16:07): Okay. Okay, great. Alright, good to know. Thank you sir. Alright, well now we get to go to the public portion of the meeting. As I said, if anyone wants to speak, now is the time to do it. Just click on the raise hand button at the bottom of your screen and some versions of Zoom, not the one I have currently, but I don't know if it's the same for everyone. Some versions of Zoom don't have the raise hand button at the bottom of the screen. Instead they have a heart and you click on the heart and then raise hand button flips up when you do that. So if anyone wants to say anything at this point, click on that raise hand button and we'll call on you. Let's see if we got it. We don't have any takers it looks like. Right? Mr. Cisneros doesn't look like it, so. Alright, well as I always say, in case Speaker 3 (16:53): We do have one, This transcript was exported on Feb 04, 2026 - view latest version here. Appendix A -- Windsor Plat 1 (Completed 02/04/26) Transcript by Rev.com Page 7 of 13 Examiner Olbrechts (16:54): We do have one, okay. From the city of Kent. Okay. Let's see. Ms. Meyer, why don't you come on up and Mr. Ros, I guess if you can get her out there she is. Okay. Ms. Shield Meyer, can you hear me? Speaker 3 (17:07): Yeah, yeah, Examiner Olbrechts (17:08): I can hear you fine. Oh sir, I'm sorry sir. Yeah, I didn't see the first name there. Okay. Speaker 3 (17:13): Oh, that's fine. Examiner Olbrechts (17:14): Yeah, and your video's not on, it's not necessary, but in case you want to be seen, we're not seeing you at this point. But Speaker 7 (17:21): Yeah, let me see. I'm not trying to hide, but just I'm not seeing a video option. Examiner Olbrechts (17:31): It should be in the bottom left corner of your zoom screen. There would be a video camera with a line through it and I maybe Mr. Cisneros, is it possible that Mr. Speaker 2 (17:41): I would have to promote him to Examiner Olbrechts (17:42): S room. Okay, that's what I was just going to say. Alright. Yeah, I was just going to ask her. So only if you're a panelist. So if you don't mind Mr. Meyer, is it okay, we kind of do the Wizard of Oz thing and you speak from above? Speaker 7 (17:52): Absolutely. And do you need to swear Examiner Olbrechts (17:54): Me in? Yes, I need to swear. Speaker 7 (17:55): I promise to raise my hand. Examiner Olbrechts (17:56): Swear. Okay, great. Do you swear affirm to tell the truth, nothing but the truth in this proceeding? This transcript was exported on Feb 04, 2026 - view latest version here. Appendix A -- Windsor Plat 1 (Completed 02/04/26) Transcript by Rev.com Page 8 of 13 Speaker 7 (18:00): Absolutely, Examiner Olbrechts (18:01): Yes. Okay, great. Go ahead. Speaker 7 (18:03): Okay, so I just was asked by our engineering department today to attend just to make sure, because they had provided some comments I think it looks like on the 15th for the record, for your consideration. And their main concern was just making sure that during the hearing some consideration was given to the requirements that were in their comments that were provided. I don't need to get into them if those have already entered into the record, but really it's just integrating our civil construction permitting processes and some impact fees it looks like related to the stormwater development and the traffic impacts. So that was my whole goal here today was to just make sure that those were in the record. I apologize, I was about six or seven minutes into the presentation and logging on. And so yeah, so I just wanted to make sure and give some voice to those comments on behalf of the city because of the a hundred eighth issues that are related to that part of the project as it is in our city, city of Kent Examiner Olbrechts (19:17): And MS thing. Let me ask, I've got exhibit eight comments. I don't recall if those are the only ones because the Exhibit Speaker 2 (19:23): X? No, we got comments on the 15th and I believe they're exhibit 30. Examiner Olbrechts (19:29): Oh, let's see. Oh there, it's okay. Got you. Yeah, Speaker 2 (19:32): So we did include, we did add them. Examiner Olbrechts (19:34): Okay. Alright. We have, oh, sorry, go ahead sir. Speaker 7 (19:39): Oh, I was just going to say, it looks like we did actually have a pre-app with the developer for this. Talked through all of those things and my understanding was that our public works and engineering folks have all been in coordination already with the city of Brenton on it. So I just wanted for your benefit, Mr. Rex, just wanted to call some attention to that so your decision can reflect that coordinated effort Examiner Olbrechts (20:05): In the Speaker 7 (20:05): This transcript was exported on Feb 04, 2026 - view latest version here. Appendix A -- Windsor Plat 1 (Completed 02/04/26) Transcript by Rev.com Page 9 of 13 Two cities. Examiner Olbrechts (20:05): Certainly and MS thing, when we get back to staff comments, maybe if we have the city's engineer, maybe the city engineer can identify what kind of coordination has been done, what conditions, if any, are being imposed and whether there's still any outstanding issues that would be helpful to know. So, alright, Mr. Helmy, thank you for your comments. Just for the transcripts, your last name is spelled S-C- H-I-L-D-M-E-Y-E-R, is that correct? Speaker 7 (20:30): Yes. Yes. And I'm the current planning manager for the city. Examiner Olbrechts (20:33): Oh great. Okay. Thank you sir. Alright, anyone else out there? It looks like we've got a Ike m or is Speaker 8 (20:40): In Yeah, that's Michael Eisenberger. Examiner Olbrechts (20:43): Okay. And sir, are you okay without your video? Speaker 8 (20:47): Yes. Examiner Olbrechts (20:47): Okay. Let me swear you in then. Just raise your right hand. Do you swear affirm to tell the truth, nothing but the truth in this proceeding? Speaker 8 (20:53): Yes, I do. Examiner Olbrechts (20:54): And sir, what was your name again for the record? Speaker 8 (20:57): Michael Eisenberger. Examiner Olbrechts (20:58): Okay. Alright, Mr. Eisenberger. And how do you spell that for our transcripts? Speaker 8 (21:03): E-I-X-E-N-B-E-R-G-E-R. This transcript was exported on Feb 04, 2026 - view latest version here. Appendix A -- Windsor Plat 1 (Completed 02/04/26) Transcript by Rev.com Page 10 of 13 Examiner Olbrechts (21:07): Oh, perfect. Okay, thank you. Alright, go ahead. Speaker 8 (21:10): Okay, yeah, my concern is on the, I guess it would be the northwest end of the lot. There are some trees there. Will they be taken down? They're close to the fence line. Examiner Olbrechts (21:27): Okay. Well I'll have staff and applicant answer that question when we get back to their portion of the hearing. Was there anything else you wanted to say or any other questions? Speaker 8 (21:38): The only other thing is I know there's a lot of spring water that comes off that property and on the hundred seventh Street, I don't, has that been taken into consideration of the stormwater? Examiner Olbrechts (21:54): Okay. Well yeah, it sounds like we're going to have the city engineer answer some questions and he can address that as well. I know that the city's drainage standards are pretty comprehensive. They usually do cover that kind of thing, but I'll let the staff and applicant answer that question for you. Anything else, sir? Okay, thank you. Okay, great. Speaker 8 (22:10): No, that's all. Thank you. Examiner Olbrechts (22:11): Alright, anybody else out there want to say anything? Okay, back to you Ms. Sting. And as I said, just to kind of address the Kent questions if you could, or comments as well as a question about the drainage. Speaker 4 (22:24): So regarding the question about the trees, I believe all the trees on the site are going to be removed as part of this development. There just isn't room with the size of the lots and all the infrastructure to retain trees. So they're going to be replanting trees, but there are no trees that are proposed for retention. With respect to coordination with the city of Kent, there has been significant coordination with the city of Kent. Most of it has been between the applicant and the city of Kent directly, but I know that the city was very diligent about making sure that we moved forward after we verified that they had been coordinating with Kent. And I do have Nate Jander here from our development engineering group, he can answer some of the more specific engineering questions. Examiner Olbrechts (23:29): Okay. Yeah, I was kind of curious which conditions, if any address that, like the payment of impact fees, I saw there was a discussion about intersection spacing in the exhibits, maybe how that was resolved. Mr. Janers, could you maybe answer some of that? Speaker 9 (23:45): This transcript was exported on Feb 04, 2026 - view latest version here. Appendix A -- Windsor Plat 1 (Completed 02/04/26) Transcript by Rev.com Page 11 of 13 Absolutely. Examiner Olbrechts (23:45): Okay. Let me swear you in. You'd swear affirm to tell the truth, nothing but the truth in this proceeding. I do. Okay, great. Go ahead. Speaker 9 (23:52): Alright. Specifically to the permits and the needs for the City of Kent, as Jill mentioned, our teams have been in coordination with Kent engineering staff to this point and we'll continue that throughout. It is our standard of practice for all external agency permits. For example, not just the city of Kent tier, but this is also a project that is serviced by water and sewer from creek water and sewer utility that all external agency permits are obtained prior to final issuance of the city construction permit. So we will ensure and follow that exact standard as we continue through here and just coordinate with our partners as we do on all of these types of projects. The specific drive away placement that is reviewed by the city of Kent. And so we do have conditions that were identified, I believe it's condition 14 that speaks to the needs for the deviations from Kent that would be required. And like all of our other agency permits, those would have to be approved prior to city approval of the construction permit as well. Examiner Olbrechts (25:13): And so I think there's mention of impact fees. Does the city require that through its conditions of approval or how is that handled for Kent Impact fees? Speaker 9 (25:23): The city does not typically assess impact fees for others through city impact fees. That would be through the other agency permits as needed. Examiner Olbrechts (25:33): Oh, I see. Okay. Okay, gotcha. Okay, thank you Mr. Jens, really helpful. Alright, Ms. Ding, anything else before we move on to applicant for final comments? Speaker 4 (25:43): Nate, did you want to address the comment about the water runoff? Examiner Olbrechts (25:47): Oh yeah, the water, sorry. Speaker 9 (25:48): Yes. So the spring and surface waters in accordance with the city of Renton surface water manual, all upstream flows are required to be captured and or routed in accordance with the surface water manual. So what exactly those are and how it's being specifically mitigated. I'll let the applicant's engineer speak a little further to that. However, all runoff will have to comply with the surface water manual. Examiner Olbrechts (26:24): This transcript was exported on Feb 04, 2026 - view latest version here. Appendix A -- Windsor Plat 1 (Completed 02/04/26) Transcript by Rev.com Page 12 of 13 And Mr. Janers, how does the city handle its review of the drainage reports? By applicants, I mean, do you have people on staff who have expertise in drainage that do a pretty deep review to ensure it meets the drainage manual or how's that done? Speaker 9 (26:41): Yes, our engineering staff reviews it. We are extremely knowledgeable of the surface water manual. And then we also coordinate with our surface water public util, excuse me, our public, oh my gosh, our surface water team in the Public Works department or secondary review and coordination as well. So we have a very thorough review of all surface water elements on the project. Examiner Olbrechts (27:09): Okay, sounds good. And just for the benefit of the public out there, if you're kind of curious about the engineering that goes in the stormwater review, that would be mainly in the document, that's technical information report TIR. Right, Mr. Janers. Any other documents they could look to see how that's done? Speaker 9 (27:25): The TIR is the primary one as you mentioned. And then the preliminary utility plans demonstrates how the TIR is applying its elements to the project IE shows where the vaults are, shows where the piping is, shows where those facilities that are described in the TIR are located. Examiner Olbrechts (27:44): Okay, great. And all that's available at the city's website? I believe if you go to, I think it's Mr. Cisneros, the hearing examiner page, they can find it in the land use files and all those exhibits we're talking about are Speaker 3 (27:55): Correct? Examiner Olbrechts (27:56): Yeah, you can just download 'em from there and see what's going on. Okay. Alright, I see we got somebody, Laura, who's one of the panelists, are you part of the applicant team? Is that right? Speaker 5 (28:06): Yes. Examiner Olbrechts (28:06): Okay. And what's your last name for the record? Speaker 5 (28:09): It's Barton Hagen. B-A-R-T-E-N-H-A-G-E-N. Examiner Olbrechts (28:15): Okay. Ms. Barton Hagen, let me swear in, just raise your right hand. Do you swear affirm to tell the truth, nothing but the truth in this proceeding? This transcript was exported on Feb 04, 2026 - view latest version here. Appendix A -- Windsor Plat 1 (Completed 02/04/26) Transcript by Rev.com Page 13 of 13 Speaker 5 (28:21): I do. Examiner Olbrechts (28:22): Okay, great. Go ahead. Speaker 5 (28:24): I just wanted to speak to the Springs related questions to 1 0 7. We have applied and received variance, the deviation from the city of Kent to be able to discharge stormwater to 1 0 8. So we will be redirecting that there shouldn't be any stormwater heading to 1 0 7, even if it goes there today because that is a private road which we are not able to discharge stormwater to. So instead we are discharging to the Northeast to 1 0 8 and the city of Kansas. Good to go with that. They've approved our deviation. Examiner Olbrechts (29:09): Okay, thank you Ms. Bar. So Speaker 5 (29:10): That's resolved. That should resolve any spring issues. Examiner Olbrechts (29:14): Great. Okay, good to hear. Yeah, and I can say normally when it comes to stormwater, the state essentially has put together a manual that's very comprehensive, very effective, and a lot of times, I believe neighboring property owners after development city improvement over the prior stormwater conditions. I mean, the developers don't have a responsibility to fix existing problems, but the way the stormwater regulations are put together, a lot of times they are improved a little bit because the applicants are required to essentially put stormwater runoff back to what it was like when the land was forested and vacant. And that's usually a better source of stormwater than what you have in the current condition. So anyway, with Spartan Hagan, thank you for your comments. Anything else that applicant want to add at this point? Nope. Okay, I guess we're done with this one. Thank you all again for taking your afternoon to participate today. (30:10): Both the public and people on the applicant team and so forth. As always with written great job and putting together the staff analysis and the applicants have, I think, pretty comprehensively covered all the impacts. And as I mentioned to the public, you're curious about the details that as you saw, there's a lot of study that goes into these projects if you're concerned about traffic, there's a traffic report, stormwater, there's a stormwater report, the stream, there's a report that addresses that to a certain extent. So all that information is there and if you still have questions, I bet Ms. Sting, you can take questions. If they got any more, they can call you. Yeah. So that's the way it's set up. So anyway, thank you all again, and like I said, if you want to copy that decision, be sure to email Ms. Ros there. She's got her email address behind her and we'll make sure you get that decision. So thanks again. Have a great rest of the day and we're adjourned.