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HomeMy WebLinkAbout07-28-2026 - Hearing Examiner Decision & Appendix A - Chaname Code Appeal OFFICE OF THE HEARING EXAMINER CITY OF RENTON REPORT AND DECISION – APPEAL OF NOTICE OF VIOLATION AND ORDER TO CORRECT (CODE 24-000663) Appellant: Victor Jonathan Chaname 16561 116th Ave SE Renton, WA 98058-5240 Alleged Violation: No building permit for accessory structure; Parking on Unauthorized Surface; Operating Contractor Office in Residential Zone Location of Violation: 16561 116th Ave SE Renton, WA 98058-5240 Public Hearing: June 16, 2026 Decision: Notice of Violation sustained on 2 of 3 violations; $500 of $750 fine sustained and due September 1, 2026. Corrective action: File timely construction permits; remove construction equipment, vehicles and materials or acquire permits for on-site development that necessitate the equipment and materials. OVERVIEW Victor Chaname has appealed a Notice of Violation and Order to Correct Fourth Notice (NOV) alleging three code violations. Specifically, the NOV alleges that Mr. Chaname built an accessory structure without a required building permit; that he parked vehicles on unauthorized surfaces; and that he operated a contractor’s office on his property in violation of the R-8 zoning district. The building permit and unauthorized parking violations are sustained. The contractor officer violation is not sustained due to a technical error in the NOV. The NOV incorrectly uses a definition for a contractor’s office that didn’t apply to the property on the only valid NOV date of violation. Although Mr. Chaname managed to avoid a finding of violation for that technical reason, he should be aware that operating a contractor’s office or yard on his property is illegal. He cannot store equipment or materials on his property that are part of his contractor business. If he does so the City can still issue more Notices of Violation for with daily $250 fines. Mr. Chaname’s primary defense for the parking and contractor office/yard violations is that the construction equipment and materials on his property are used for on-site improvements. It is plausible that much of the vehicles, equipment and construction materials on his property are part of on-going on- Appeal of Finding of Violation Page 2 site construction activities. Less restrictions apply if the materials and equipment are used for on-site development. However, there is an important caveat for the parking violation. The motor vehicles can only be located on the grass and dirt portions of the property if they are used for development authorized by a “valid City-issued permit.” See RMC 4-44085D3. The large amount of broken concrete and mounds of dirt shown in the City’s photographs strongly suggests that Mr. Chaname should have been operating under a clearing and grading permit and potentially a demolition permit as well. If Mr. Chaname acquires the necessary permits, he should have much less trouble in leaving construction vehicles, equipment and materials on his property. If the development on his property isn’t significant enough to trigger any permit requirements, then it likely doesn’t necessitate any parking off approved surfaces or involve an extensive amount of construction related items that would suggest the operation of a contractor’s yard. Mr. Chaname’s contractor yard violation is only dismissed because the City used an outdated “construction/contractor yard” definition for the NOV. Had the City used the correct definition, Mr. Chaname likely would have been found in violation for using the violation site as a construction/contractor yard. The primary problem with the contractor yard violation date is that only one violation date listed in the NOV is valid. The NOV lists the violation dates as 10/07/24, 12/10/24, 12/19/24, 2/2/26, 2/9/26, 3/11/26 and 4/13/26. Mr. Chaname has already been charged for all those violation dates except for 4/13/26 in the 3rd NOV, dated 3/16/26 (Ex.7). The city can’t repeatedly charge Mr. Chaname for the same violation date. The NOV violation dates other than 3/16/26 are already established as committed under the 3rd NOV because Mr. Chaname didn’t appeal the third NOV. There is no need to revisit those violation dates in the NOV under appeal.1 Given the above, the only violation date that can be subject to the NOV is the 4/13/26 violations. The “construction/contractor yard office” definition used in the NOV was repealed by Ordinance No. 6185, which became effective on March 10, 2026 (five days after publication). The repealed definition prohibited a combined contractor office and yard to be located on the violation site. The currently applicable definition makes it a violation to have either an office or a contractor yard on the violation site. Mr. Chaname established that his contractor office is located in Seattle. The City didn’t dispute that there was no office at the violation site. There is no evidence suggesting such a use. Mr. Chaname relied upon the incorrect definition in the NOV to establish that his use didn’t meet that definition in part because he didn’t have an office at his violation site. HEARING TESTIMONY A computer-generated transcript of the hearing has been prepared to provide an overview of the hearing testimony. The transcript is provided for informational purposes only as Appendix A. EXHIBITS Exhibits 1-9 identified in the City’s Exhibit List were admitted during the June 16, 2026 hearing. A June 23, 2026 email from “Lila badboyz “ on behalf of Mr. Chaname along with four attachments was 1 It is acknowledged that the 3rd NOV didn’t assess any fine for the “construction/contractor’s office” definition. It is an open question whether a violation can be charged in one NOV and its fine for the same day of violation deferred to another NOV. In this case the NOV under appeal doesn’t identify that it’s seeking a fine for a prior established violation under an offense that has since been redefined. Given that Mr. Chaname will still be liable for $500 in fines because of this decision, the ambiguities of this situation will be resolved in his favor and no fine will be assessed for Violation No. 3. Appeal of Finding of Violation Page 3 admitted post-hearing. Three more photographs on a June 30, 2026 email from Lila badboyz are also admitted. A video from an email from Mr. Chaname dated July 7, 2026 was admitted. The City’s July 16, 2026 response was admitted. FINDINGS OF FACT 1. Appellant. Victor Jonathan Chaname, 16561 116th Ave SE, Renton, WA 98058-5240 2. Property. 16561 116th Ave SE, Renton, WA 98058-5240. 3. Finding of Violation. The NOV was issued to Mr. Chaname on April 13, 2026. The NOV asserts three violations: (1) No building permit for accessory structure (RMC 4-5-060E); Parking on Unauthorized Surface (RMC 4-4-085.D.3); Operating Contractor Office in Residential Zone (RMC 4-2-060.N). 4. Appeal. Mr. Chaname filed the subject appeal on April 21, 2026. 5. Hearing. A hearing on the appeal was held on June 16, 2026. Mr. Chaname noted during the hearing that he hadn’t received a copy of Exhibits 7-9. The Examiner left the record open through July 23, 2026 for Mr. Chaname to comment on Exhibits 7-9. Mr. Chaname emailed a response on June 22, 2026 with additional evidence on June 30, 2026 and July 7, 2026. The emailed a final response on July 16, 2026. 6. Violation No. 1: unpermitted construction. It is undisputed that a shed-like structure covered in plastic and tarps has been constructed on the violation site without any building permit. Ms. Locker, the City’s lead code compliance officer, has verified that no building permit has been issued for the structure. Two pictures taken on April 13, 2026 show the structure to be well over 200 square feet with wood framing. Mr. Chaname testified that the structure is a Home Depot metal 12 by 20. Tr. 23. The photographs show what appears to be a wood face. However, the internal framing could be metal. 7. Violation No. 2: Driveway Parking. As confirmed by Mr. Chaname, the only developed driveway on this property is in front of the garage at the violation site. Ex. 8 Photographs from April 13, 2026 show a white commercial van and a grey van not parked on the driveway. The white van is parked on a newly cleared area and the grey van appears to be parked on the side of the home on a lawn or gravel area. A recreational vehicle is also shown parked on dirt and grass in an Ex. 8 April 13, 2026 photograph. CONCLUSIONS OF LAW 1. Authority of Examiner: The Hearing Examiner has the authority and jurisdiction to review code violations as provided in RMC 1-10-3C5. Appeal of Finding of Violation Page 4 2. Code Violation: The code violation identified in Finding of Fact No. 3 is quoted below and applied to this appeal via a corresponding conclusion of law. Violation No. 1: Construction Without Building Permit RMC 4-5-060(E)(1)): 105.1 Required. Any owner or owner’s authorized agent who intends to construct, enlarge, alter, repair, move, demolish, or change the occupancy of a building or structure, or to erect, install, enlarge, alter, repair, remove, convert or replace any electrical, gas, mechanical or plumbing system, the installation of which is regulated by the Construction Codes and the Construction Administrative Code, or to cause any such work to be done, shall first make application to the building official and obtain the required permit. 3. Violation Sustained. The violation is sustained. As determined in Finding of Fact No. 6, an accessory structure has been built on the violation site without a building permit. No exception to building permit requirements is evident from the record. Violation No. 2 -- Impermissible Parking Locations RMC 4-4-085.D.3; Except for recreational vehicles and commercial vehicles being used for development activity pursuant to a valid City-issued permit, all motor vehicles shall be parked on a lawfully established driveway or an approved impervious surface. A separate violation of this Section shall be deemed to have occurred when, after issuance of a citation, twenty four (24) or more consecutive hours passes and the offending vehicle remains in an impermissible location, regardless of whether or not the vehicle has been relocated from the original location. For the purpose of this Section, driveways consisting of compacted dirt and/or gravel established prior to the effective date of this Section shall be considered a permissible parking location. 4. Violation Sustained. The violation is sustained. As determined in Finding of Fact No. 7, at least three vehicles were parked on grass and/or dirt on April 13, 2026. Violation No. 3: Operating Contracting Office and Storage in Residential Zone RMC 4-2-060 prohibits “construction/contractor’s yard” in the R8 zone. RMC 4-11-030VV: Construction/Contractor yard. An area with primarily outdoor storage for the construction and landscaping trades. Storage includes but is not limited to materials, such as woodchips, pavers, and lumber, and equipment, such as excavators and power tools. This definition includes related buildings or structures for uses such as offices and repair facilities. 5. Violation Reversed. The violation is reversed because the NOV provides an incorrect definition of a construction/contractor’s yard. The “construction/contractor office” definition was repealed by Ordinance No. 6185, which became effective on March 10, 2026. The violation dates listed in the NOV that precede March 10, 2026 were subject to the third Notice of Violation issued against Mr. Chaname on March 16, 2026. Mr. Chaname can’t be fined for the same day of violation more than once. Consequently, the violation dates that precede March 10, 2026 can’t be charged a second time and the Appeal of Finding of Violation Page 5 NOV construction/contractor definition used for violation dates after March 10, 2026 is inaccurate and can’t be applied. The change in the contractor/construction definition by Ordinance No. 6185 materially affected Mr. Chaname’s ability to defend himself. The definition that was repealed by Ordinance No. 6185 provided that a “construction/contractor office” office was prohibited in the R-8 zone. Under the “construction/contractor office" definition, the City had to prove that the violation site was used for both a contractor yard and an office for the contractor yard. Mr. Chaname seized upon the office requirement to base his defense upon the fact that his office is located in Seattle. Had the NOV included the correct definition, Mr. Chaname would have known that outdoor contractor storage alone would have been a violation. Under the current definition, the City doesn’t have to prove that Mr. Chaname is operating an office at the violation site. The City only has to prove that the violation site is used for outdoor storage of contractor business materials and/or equipment. The steel plate sign and the blue telehandler strongly suggest that if the City had used the correct definition, Violation No. 3 would have been sustained. DECISION The Notice of Violation and Order to Correct Fourth Notice (CODE 24-000663) is sustained on two f the three violations. The $750 fine imposed by the NOV is reduced to $500 since one of the violations with its $250 fine is reversed. The $500 fine is due September 1, 2026 or within timeframes approved by City staff. ORDER TO CORRECT Mr. Chaname shall complete the corrective action identified in the NOV for Violations 1 and 2 by September 1, 2026. Failure to correct as ordered may subject the Violator (Appellant) to criminal prosecution authorized by RMC 1-10-7A1. Failure to comply with an Order to Correct can be prosecuted as a misdemeanor. Per RMC 1-10-7A2, if a Violator is found guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, the Violator shall serve no less than five (5) days in jail for the first conviction, no less than ten (10) days for the second conviction, and no less than thirty (30) days for any subsequent conviction. A Violator shall not be eligible for Electronic Home Detention or any other alternative to jail time. DATED this 28th day of July, 2026. Hearing Examiner Appeal of Finding of Violation Page 6 NOTICE OF RIGHT TO APPEAL An appeal of the decision of the Hearing Examiner must be filed with Superior Court within twenty-one calendar days, as required by the Land Use Petition Act, Chapter 36.70C RCW. June 16 2026 Chaname CE Renton-Trimmed by Rev (Completed 07/09/26) Transcript by Rev.com Page 1 of 26 Appendix A June 16, 2026, Hearing Transcript Chaname Code Compliance Appeal File No. – CODE24-000878 Note: This is a computer-generated transcript provided for informational purposes only. The reader should not take this document as 100% accurate or take offense at errors created by the limitations of the programming in transcribing speech. A recording of the hearing is available from the City should anyone need an accurate rendition of the hearing testimony. Examiner Olbrechts: (00:01): All right. For the record, it's June 16th, 2026, 9:00 AM. I'm Phil Albright, hearing examiner for the city of Renton, holding a hearing today on a notice of violation appeal from Mr. Shanamay. Is that how to pronounce your name? Mr. Chaname: (00:15): Yes. Examiner Olbrechts: (00:16): Okay, great. All right. So the hearing format, Mr. Shanamay, the city has the burden of proof, so they get to go first to lay out their case. And that would be Ms. Loker and Mr. Churchill on behalf of the city, I believe, will be making the city's case. Mr. Shaughneme, you'll have a chance to cross-examine any city witnesses. If you have any questions after they're done testifying, you can go ahead and ask them questions. And same for you when you present your witnesses, the city can question your witnesses. That court's called cross-examination. So after the city's done presenting their evidence, Mr. Shaughneme, then it'll be your turn to give your side of the story, explain why the notice of violation doesn't apply to you. You can present your witnesses, present exhibits after you're all done with that. Then again, because the city has the burden of proof, they get to provide rebuttal evidence. (01:10): And after that, I have a couple of weeks to issue a decision. So any questions so far, Mr. Shanamay, about how the process works? Mr. Chaname: (01:17): No, sir. Examiner Olbrechts: (01:18): Okay. Yeah, it's pretty straightforward. Now, Mr. Shanamay, did you receive the city's packet of information? I'm going to share my screen so you see that. Oh, Cindy, can you enable sharing for me? Speaker 1 (01:33): Yes, sorry. There you go. June 16 2026 Chaname CE Renton-Trimmed by Rev (Completed 07/09/26) Transcript by Rev.com Page 2 of 26 Examiner Olbrechts: (01:40): Okay, there we go. All right. So Mr. Shanamay, this is what I got from the city. Information about your case composed of a total of, it looks like nine exhibits. Did you get that? Mr. Chaname: (01:55): Yes. Examiner Olbrechts: (01:55): Okay. All right. And Mr. Shanamay, do you have any objection to entry of these documents in the record? Mr. Chaname: (02:01): Nope. Examiner Olbrechts: (02:02): Okay. I'll go ahead and admit exhibits one through nine then. All right, so Ms. Loker, is it going to be you that's going to be testifying or Mr. Churchill or how's that going to work today? It's Ms. Locher:: (02:12): Going to be me. Examiner Olbrechts: (02:13): Okay. Let me swear you in. Just raise your right hand. Do you swear or affirm to tell the truth, nothing but the truth in this proceeding? Ms. Locher:: (02:19): I do. Examiner Olbrechts: (02:19): Okay, great. Go ahead. Ms. Locher:: (02:22): Okay. We ready? Examiner Olbrechts: (02:23): Yes. Ms. Locher:: (02:24): Okay. So on this property on 116th, it's being used as a construction laydown area, possibly a construction office, but there is lots of commercial equipment on the property. They brought in rocks, a lot of cement. They brought in dirt. There's still equipment on the property as of today and yesterday. And before the property was bought, I had emails from a real estate broker named Maria Ramos and Joe at Bad Boys and Rita Lynn were also copied on these. And we went through quite a few emails which are listed in here where they asked if they could have additional vehicles permit to have commercial June 16 2026 Chaname CE Renton-Trimmed by Rev (Completed 07/09/26) Transcript by Rev.com Page 3 of 26 vehicles on the property. The answer was no. They wanted to know if they could... Okay, excuse me. They didn't want to know. The zoning on the property does not allow for construction offices or contractor's office, which is defined as an area where a construction contractor maintains its office as well as storage for equipment and materials for the construction and landscaping trades. (03:59): So there's been a lot of proof, as you'll see in the pictures in the packet, where they've had all kinds of construction equipment from excavators to flatbed trailers to all kinds of equipment on the property. So anyway, before they even bought the property, they were told they could do none of these things. (04:26): And then they went ahead and they bought the property and did exactly what they were told they could not do with the property in the emails. So over time I've sent all kinds of warnings and violations and listed all the things they were in violation of. And the only thing that they came into compliance with was lowering the height of the fence. That's the only thing they brought into compliance. So that's why we're here and everything is in the packet and they just can't use the property for what they're using it for. And they refuse to stop. And I believe they understand because there were emails before they brought the property, which would've been explained to them by their real estate broker if they did not understand Examiner Olbrechts: (05:26): It. Okay. Thanks, Ms. Loker. All right, Mr. Shanime, did you have any questions of Ms. Locher? Mr. Chaname: (05:35): Sure. I mean, we have lots of questions. I mean, I know who we bought the property. We have over an acre. You got to Ms. Locher:: (05:44): Talk how, Mr. Chaname: (05:46): Sir. (05:48): We have over an acre on the property as you know. We own a construction company. Our office is located in Seattle. Okay. We have a big yard in Seattle. We bring our equipment because since we all own over an acre, are we not allowed to clean up? My vehicles, you don't see them there every day. My family, we're nine people in my family and some of them, we have cars. I have two cars on my own. My wife has a car. My son has a car. I see all the neighbors. I just send pictures to Cindy. Just this morning, there's vehicles parked next door, same block. Same block. Examiner Olbrechts: (06:41): Okay. So Mr. Chateame, what's your question to Ms. Loker then? Mr. Chaname: (06:44): My question is that if we own over an acre, we're supposed to keep it clean and that's what I'm trying to do. I mean, do you expect me to do everything by hand? June 16 2026 Chaname CE Renton-Trimmed by Rev (Completed 07/09/26) Transcript by Rev.com Page 4 of 26 Ms. Locher:: (06:56): Are you supposed to do what? Excuse me. Mr. Chaname: (06:58): To clean the acre that we own. Ms. Locher:: (07:03): Okay. Mr. Chaname: (07:03): How are we supposed to clean the one acre? Are we supposed to let all the bushes grow or not even touch it? Ms. Locher:: (07:14): Okay. My question to you is what part of it were you cleaning up? You took out all the grass that was nice. It was a nice flat lot with grass. Examiner Olbrechts: (07:24): Okay. Well, let's - Ms. Locher:: (07:25): Pardon? Examiner Olbrechts: (07:26): Ms. Loker, now it's his turn to ask questions of you. I'm just going to kind of rephrase this question. I think what he's asking is can he have those vehicles there to take care of his one acres? I think it was what his question Mr. Chaname: (07:40): Was. It's one acre. Yeah. Yeah. It's one acre that I'm not going to do by hand. There's no way I can do it by hand. I own equipment. Why not use my equipment? Examiner Olbrechts: (07:50): Okay. So yeah, so the question, Ms. Loker, is because I know there's an exception in the code for construction work, I think, but does that aply here? Ms. Locher:: (07:58): No, it does not because he's not doing construction. But I Examiner Olbrechts: (08:04): Won't Mr. Chaname: (08:04): June 16 2026 Chaname CE Renton-Trimmed by Rev (Completed 07/09/26) Transcript by Rev.com Page 5 of 26 Be doing construction. Examiner Olbrechts: (08:05): Hold on. Let Ms. Loker answer the question. Go ahead, Ms. Loker. Ms. Locher:: (08:09): I don't believe he's doing construction on his property. He's bringing in concrete and storing it on the property. He's bringing in all kinds of commercial equipment. He has had dump trucks on the property. I don't know what he is trying to clean up on his property and maybe he can answer that for me. Examiner Olbrechts: (08:38): And Mr. Shamime, you'll have - Hold on. Mr. Shamimae, you'll have your turn to explain why you're using the equipment right now. You're just asking questions of Ms. Loker. So any other questions of her? Mr. Chaname: (08:49): Yeah. I mean, what's expected for us to do? I'm getting permits for my actual construction, which I'm applying for. I have, like I said, my family is a big family. So last time also saw some pictures where my family came to visit me. Now I can't have people visiting me because I'm only allowed to have four cars at all times. That's my question. How do I do that? How do I get my family to come over and visit me if they're going to cite me for my family that comes and visit me? If they're going to take pictures of my family's car, because that's what a lot of the tickets are for. Examiner Olbrechts: (09:35): Okay. I guess, Ms. Looker, yeah, the question is when he has visitors, where do they park if they can't park on his property? Ms. Locher:: (09:45): They can park on the street. They can't park on a vacant lot next to his property.ok on the street or in the driveway like all the other people down Mr. Chaname: (09:57): The road. You didn't let me. You cited me for parking on the grass. My family parked on the grass. I just were like, you are not allowed to park on that side. So what am I supposed to do? On the street, you just gave me a citation for parking on the street. Ms. Locher:: (10:15): I never gave you a citation for parking. Mr. Chaname: (10:17): I thought you had some pictures there. You never Ms. Locher:: (10:18): Got a citation for parking on the street. June 16 2026 Chaname CE Renton-Trimmed by Rev (Completed 07/09/26) Transcript by Rev.com Page 6 of 26 Mr. Chaname: (10:21): We have some pictures that I cannot park on the street because I'm blocking there. Examiner Olbrechts: (10:25): All right. Yeah, just question and answer. No argument. Okay. I'm sorry. Yeah. You Ms. Locher:: (10:30): Cannot park on the vacant lot, the vacant part of the lot next to your house. Okay. That is not a parking lot. Where am I supposed to park? New pavement that has no cement, that is dirt, and it was all nice dirt, flat gravel. Mr. Chaname: (10:45): No, what you're telling me, if I put some gravel or if I put some asphalt, am I allowed to park? Ms. Locher:: (10:52): No, you have to check with the planning department Mr. Chaname: (10:56): First. Ms. Locher:: (10:56): If you're interested in extra parking, that's something you would need to talk with the planning department and probably get a permit for. Mr. Chaname: (11:07): So I can't have my family visiting me. That's Ms. Locher:: (11:10): Not what I said, sir. Well, Mr. Chaname: (11:11): That's. Examiner Olbrechts: (11:13): Okay. Again, so what's your next question, Mr. Chanime? I Mr. Chaname: (11:17): Mean, where are they supposed to park? Well, Examiner Olbrechts: (11:19): I think Ms. Loker answered on the street and approved parking Mr. Chaname: (11:23): June 16 2026 Chaname CE Renton-Trimmed by Rev (Completed 07/09/26) Transcript by Rev.com Page 7 of 26 Service. There's no place on the street, sir. Okay. Examiner Olbrechts: (11:25): Sir, Ms. Locher:: (11:26): There is street Examiner Olbrechts: (11:28): Parking. All right. Okay. So next question. Mr. Chaname: (11:32): I don't have any more for her. Examiner Olbrechts: (11:34): Okay. All right. Is that it for the city, Ms. Loker? Ms. Locher:: (11:37): Pardon? Examiner Olbrechts: (11:38): Is that it for the city? Ms. Locher:: (11:39): Yeah, the only thing I wanted to just add is that we're getting complaints that it looks like a construction yard with the piles of cement, the piles of dirt and rock and the way it's been cleared out. So Mr. Shanamay never came to the city to find out what he could and could not do. He just went ahead and did what he wanted despite the emails that were sent to and from him and his broker before he brought the property. Mr. Chaname: (12:13): So you're telling me that I'm not allowed to clear my own yard because you like the grass. Sir, Ms. Locher:: (12:22): I'm not telling Mr. Chaname: (12:23): You what to Ms. Locher:: (12:24): Do. Mr. Chaname: (12:25): June 16 2026 Chaname CE Renton-Trimmed by Rev (Completed 07/09/26) Transcript by Rev.com Page 8 of 26 Well, then that's what you're telling me. And that's what I tried to explain to you. I'm cleaning my acre. I have one over an acre full of blackberries, full of bushes. All Examiner Olbrechts: (12:38): Right. Mr. Chaname: (12:38): So Examiner Olbrechts: (12:39): Mr. Shanameer, let me swear you in and you'll be able to explain what you're doing out Mr. Chaname: (12:42): There. Examiner Olbrechts: (12:43): And just so you know, your video's not on. That's okay, right? Oh, Mr. Chaname: (12:46): No, no, no. Sorry. Examiner Olbrechts: (12:48): Yeah, it's fine. It doesn't have to be, but it's not on. There you go. Oh, there you go. Okay. Let me swear you in, Mr. Shannon. Just raise your right hand. Do you swear or affirm to tell the truth, nothing but the truth in this proceeding? Mr. Chaname: (12:58): Yes, sir. Examiner Olbrechts: (12:58): Okay, great. Go ahead. Mr. Chaname: (13:01): So I own an acre. This is a house owned by my brother that he's renting me, but we also have a construction company. We're also applying for permits to build two AVUs on the back of the house. That's one. So the debris that's coming out of the house is because when we bought the house, there was a broken pool. There was an actual pool, a big pool that it's been broken for many years and it was bringing frogs into the property. There were lots of frogs so we decided to remove the pool. Also, we own an acre. When we bought the house, they were just using maybe three quarters of the property and the rest it was all bushes. It was all ground grass, which I don't have time to maintain it. So what I decided to do, clear all the grass, clear everything, and the dump trailers were there because I was taking all the garbage to the dump. (14:13): June 16 2026 Chaname CE Renton-Trimmed by Rev (Completed 07/09/26) Transcript by Rev.com Page 9 of 26 I'm taking all the garbage, all the debris to the dump. I'm not going to pay for it when I own the equipment. I'm not going to pay a subcontractor to come and do the work when I have my guys that can do it. My vehicles are not parked there every day because they all go to work. I have my office in Seattle, Soto. I have a big yard where I put all my equipment, but I don't think it's just when I'm the one who gets called out, but two doors from there, I get there's box trucks, there's debris, there's everything. But last time I saw the neighbor next door who has a box truck, a commercial vehicle with his property. So I'm taking pictures and those were the pictures that are being sent to the city. I don't know why is he doing it? Why? (15:21): I don't care. At this point, it's like I don't care if he takes pictures, but if it's going to cost me money, if I'm not allowed to park or I'm not allowed to have my family come visit because a lot of the pictures are because my family comes visit. The pictures in the morning, if we're allowed four vehicles, they were like three vehicles on my property because I left to work. So I don't understand what's the big problem here when we're all in compliance. I'm working inside my property. I think I have the right to do whatever I want in my property. If I want to clean it, I'm going to clean it. If I want to put garbage on my property, I will put garbage on my property. Which the rocks that he's claiming that we have, it's because I'm doing a nice retaining wall. (16:16): I'm trying to recycle stuff, materials from my job sites and we're leveling everything out because I don't like my job. I want my kids to play out there. I mean other than that, I'm applying for permit. Like I said, we're paying two ADUs on the back of the property. We're doing everything per total. There's nothing. My office isn't sold. I like to do woodworking, so I have a little shop in the other half of the property, which now I'm not allowed to have. It's not like something permanent. It's just some tarps that I have there where I do my woodworking. That what I like to do for fun. And I just don't get it. I own more property than everyone else, but there's pictures there that I sent to Cindy this morning where there's people parking on their yard, having six cars and more commercial vehicles. (17:29): I live close to the 7-Eleven also. I got to have my property secure. 7-Eleven two weeks ago, three weeks ago, there was a shooting and I'm only allowed to have a four-foot fence to defend and protect my family. I don't think that's right. I own guns and everything. I don't want to go through that. But if I have to protect my family, I'm going to do it. But I'm cleaning everything so everything is visible. Everything is secure. My house is secure. My family is protected. But with this citations that constantly come, come, I'm going to pay the citations, but I don't think that's right. We're being... (18:20): I don't know how to explain it, but it worked in carater twenty four seven. And I feel like I'm being harassed at this point. That's how we feel. We're hardworking people. We pay taxes. We're not drug dealers. We're not robbing on the streets. We own a company. We own a successful company and we're trying to do everything right. For her to come, you have an extra car. I own an acre. Now, if you're claiming that, oh, I'm not allowed to park in the cars. Okay, I'll put some asphalt. Is that allowed? It's not allowed. So what else can I do? I mean, she wants me to move out. She wants me to sell the property. I'm not going to do that. (19:21): I'm not going to go to her house and start telling how many cars does she have or how many cars she owns. I don't think that's fair. If I want to buy me three cars, four cars, five cars, I'm inside my property. I'm not taking money from anyone. We're not taking... My brother and I, we're hardworking people. June 16 2026 Chaname CE Renton-Trimmed by Rev (Completed 07/09/26) Transcript by Rev.com Page 10 of 26 We're not taking money from anybody. I mean, we are just trying to make this fair for us. I'm trying to keep my yard clean. It's already an acre. I'm not going to do it by hand. I'm not willing to do it by hand. I don't know what else we could do at this point. Examiner Olbrechts: (20:14): Okay. All right. Ms. Loker, do you have any questions of Mr. Shanamay? Ms. Locher:: (20:19): I do. (20:21): Mr. Shatimay, you keep saying you have an acre of land, which is amazing, but that doesn't mean you can use it any way you want to. There are rules and regulations in the city for residential properties. I received a complaint on your property because all of the equipment and the in and out, the dirt that was being drug in the street. I received a complaint. That's why you got a case open on you. There may be a house down the street or two blocks over that have too many cars. I don't know. I didn't get a complaint on them. If you're trying to fix your property and you say you have this company in Seattle, then that's where you need to keep your commercial equipment. You can have one commercial vehicle on your property per code and that was spelled out in what was sent to you. Examiner Olbrechts: (21:24): Ms. Loker, do you have active - Your Ms. Locher:: (21:26): Broker asked if you could have an additional vehicles for all these commercial traction Examiner Olbrechts: (21:32): Equipment. Ms. Loker, do you have questions of Mr. Chateamie? We're just in the question part right now. Ms. Locher:: (21:38): Oh, I'm sorry. Examiner Olbrechts: (21:39): Yeah. Ms. Locher:: (21:41): Yes. I don't know. I would like to know why you never called me. Mr. Chaname: (21:47): We tried and you always say no, you're not allowed to. So you're not helping. You just told me you're not allowed to. You don't help me find answers. Ms. Locher:: (21:56): That is not true, sir. I answer my calls. I return my phone calls. So again, June 16 2026 Chaname CE Renton-Trimmed by Rev (Completed 07/09/26) Transcript by Rev.com Page 11 of 26 Mr. Chaname: (22:03): Why Ms. Locher:: (22:03): Didn't you call me? Mr. Chaname: (22:06): So am I supposed to call you and just go around my block and send you everyone's vehicles? I don't know why I should call you to clean up my yard. Ms. Locher:: (22:20): If you had things to tell me about what you were doing on your property, why did you not call me and discuss it? Mr. Chaname: (22:30): Am I going to call you to clean up my yard again? I don't get it. Ms. Locher:: (22:35): Okay. Another question. Why did you bring all this commercial vehicles and things on your property? Mr. Chaname: (22:43): Because I was cleaning my acres. Ms. Locher:: (22:44): Between your broker and yourself clearly, excuse me, clearly stated that you could not have those items on the property. Mr. Chaname: (22:56): They're not there twenty four seven. I was cleaning my one acre lot. What else can I tell you? I have Ms. Locher:: (23:09): No Mr. Chaname: (23:09): Further questions. How am I supposed to - I Ms. Locher:: (23:12): Have no further questions. Thank Mr. Chaname: (23:13): You. Okay. I'm just asking. All right. Examiner Olbrechts: (23:15): June 16 2026 Chaname CE Renton-Trimmed by Rev (Completed 07/09/26) Transcript by Rev.com Page 12 of 26 So Mr. Shanami, let me just have a few questions here. Share my screen first. So currently, do you have applications pending on two accessory dwelling units on the property? Yes, sir. Oh, okay. Yes, sir. All right. And are you saying that some of these construction Mr. Chaname: (23:34): Vehicles are Examiner Olbrechts: (23:35): Being - Mr. Chaname: (23:35): You see all the garbage? When we bought the property, there was so much garbage. Examiner Olbrechts: (23:40): Okay. So are you currently constructing those accessory dwelling units or are those - Mr. Chaname: (23:47): No. No, sir. They're under review. Oh, Examiner Olbrechts: (23:49): They're still under review. Okay. So are you saying then that all these construction vehicles on your lot right now are just Mr. Chaname: (23:55): There to Examiner Olbrechts: (23:56): Clear Mr. Chaname: (23:56): Your lot? No, sir. They're not there. That picture's from 2024. Examiner Olbrechts: (24:02): Okay. Mr. Chaname: (24:02): That was when we were repairing, fixing the house and cleaning everything. Examiner Olbrechts: (24:07): Okay. So all the garbage in there is from the lot itself, is that correct in this picture? Yes, Mr. Chaname: (24:11): Sir. June 16 2026 Chaname CE Renton-Trimmed by Rev (Completed 07/09/26) Transcript by Rev.com Page 13 of 26 Examiner Olbrechts: (24:12): Yes, Mr. Chaname: (24:12): Sir. Examiner Olbrechts: (24:12): All right. And so I don't know what this thing does, but was this used to clean up your property? Mr. Chaname: (24:18): Yes, sir. Examiner Olbrechts: (24:19): Okay. Mr. Chaname: (24:20): And I should - That's been done. Examiner Olbrechts: (24:22): Okay. And I should just, for the transcripts, I should say we were looking at the photograph on page 46 Mr. Chaname: (24:27): Of Examiner Olbrechts: (24:27): A dumpster and then 47. What does this vehicle do on the property exactly? Mr. Chaname: (24:33): That was helping us lift all the concrete that was left on the property. Examiner Olbrechts: (24:37): There's concrete left on the property? Yes, Mr. Chaname: (24:39): Sir. There's still more concrete on the property. And then Examiner Olbrechts: (24:42): This backhoe, you take it to dig up concrete, Mr. Chaname: (24:45): That kind of Examiner Olbrechts: (24:45): June 16 2026 Chaname CE Renton-Trimmed by Rev (Completed 07/09/26) Transcript by Rev.com Page 14 of 26 Stuff? Yes, Mr. Chaname: (24:45): Sir. Okay. That's Examiner Olbrechts: (24:46): Page 48. Let's see here. Mr. Chaname: (24:50): And that's my little shop which we make it open. Examiner Olbrechts: (24:53): Your wood shop Mr. Chaname: (24:54): You're Examiner Olbrechts: (24:54): Talking about? Mr. Chaname: (24:55): Yes. Yes, sir. Okay. All Examiner Olbrechts: (24:55): Right. Mr. Chaname: (24:57): Yes, sir. Those are my guys' vehicles while they were helping me clean up the... Examiner Olbrechts: (25:01): Those Mr. Chaname: (25:01): Are not my cars. Those are my guys' vehicles. Examiner Olbrechts: (25:05): Okay. Mr. Chaname: (25:05): So these are Examiner Olbrechts: (25:05): Some of the visitors you're talking about. Is this your house here on page 50? Yes, sir. That's my June 16 2026 Chaname CE Renton-Trimmed by Rev (Completed 07/09/26) Transcript by Rev.com Page 15 of 26 Mr. Chaname: (25:11): House. Examiner Olbrechts: (25:11): All right. And so we got vehicles parked on the lawn next to the house, is that right? Where's the garage? I mean, the garage isn't on this side, right? Mr. Chaname: (25:17): The garage is on the other side. Examiner Olbrechts: (25:19): Okay. All right. Got it. Okay. Is this the same one dumpster was Mr. Chaname: (25:24): On Examiner Olbrechts: (25:24): Before? Yes, Mr. Chaname: (25:24): Sir. Yes. Examiner Olbrechts: (25:26): Okay. And what about, what's this trailer used for? Mr. Chaname: (25:30): That was used to transport the equipment, the excavators. Examiner Olbrechts: (25:34): Oh, I see. Okay. All right. Yes, sir. Okay. All right. And there's your garage and your driveway. Mr. Chaname: (25:42): Yes, sir. Examiner Olbrechts: (25:42): Got it. All right. Okay. Those are all the questions I had. Mr. Shanamei, did you have any other witnesses you wanted to present? No. Okay. We'll go back to Ms. Loker then. And now's the time, Ms. Loker, to make your final comments and that kind of thing. Ms. Locher:: (25:56): Okay. I forwarded some photos to Cindy this morning as Exhibit 10 to show what was on the property. It looks like there's two commercial tracks. There is, I don't have those in front of me. There is some construction that's new going on behind the house that wasn't there before. The membrane structure June 16 2026 Chaname CE Renton-Trimmed by Rev (Completed 07/09/26) Transcript by Rev.com Page 16 of 26 or carport structure that's on the property has not gotten a permit yet. That was part of the things that Mr. Shanamain had to bring into compliance. Mr. Chaname: (26:42): The what? I'm sorry? That tent-like Ms. Locher:: (26:44): Structure. Examiner Olbrechts: (26:47): Okay. But Ms. Looker, that's not part of this notice of violation, correct? That's another - Ms. Locher:: (26:53): Yeah, it is. Examiner Olbrechts: (26:54): Oh, it is in there. Okay. Ms. Locher:: (26:56): Yeah. Let me see. The carport structure's over 200 square feet and requires a building permit. Yes. Okay. Examiner Olbrechts: (27:03): All right. Okay. Ms. Locher:: (27:10): So anyway - Carport. Mr. Chaname: (27:11): It's not in building. Excuse me. Examiner Olbrechts: (27:15): Okay. Back to Ms. Loker. Go ahead. Ms. Locher:: (27:18): Okay. I can appreciate you wanting to clean up your property. I don't know where the concrete came from, if it came from your property or another job site, but it's been constant traffic in and out, constant commercial vehicles. You cannot have them there. Once you start construction, if you have building permits, then you're allowed to have construction equipment on your property. But until then, you can have the one commercial vehicle. You can have a total of four vehicles parked on your property as long as you're not parked on the dirt or grass. Permit for the carport structure, like I said. And I'm sorry that we're here, but you were explained all this prior to buying the property. And then when I received a complaint, then we opened a case and this is where we're at. Thank you. Examiner Olbrechts: (28:24): June 16 2026 Chaname CE Renton-Trimmed by Rev (Completed 07/09/26) Transcript by Rev.com Page 17 of 26 So Ms. Loker, I guess we didn't really get into the carport structure. Do we have a picture of that somewhere? And also I don't have a - Yeah, Ms. Locher:: (28:33): It is. I can't work in here at all. Examiner Olbrechts: (28:37): Well, let me see if I can pull it up. Ms. Locher:: (28:41): It looks like it's got tarps over it. Examiner Olbrechts: (28:47): That's not the wood shop. Was that the wood shop that we were talking about earlier? Ms. Locher:: (28:52): It's not a wood shop. The new pictures, it is probably twice that big and it requires a permit. Examiner Olbrechts: (29:00): And this is a new picture you sent to Ms. Moya today, Ms. Locher:: (29:04): Is that right? No, these are pictures that were sent. Let me see. I'm sorry. Next time I will not be in this room for anything. It's just not, I can't work in here. Examiner Olbrechts: (29:24): Yeah. Yeah, I just want to see what you're talking about. Speaker 1 (29:28): Phil, Ms. Locher:: (29:28): I just - No, I totally understand. Speaker 1 (29:30): Phil, I just sent you the pictures I sent this morning just now so it'll be on top of your Examiner Olbrechts: (29:39): Face. Oh, I see. Okay. Ms. Locher:: (29:42): If you go to 413, the photos, if you go to 413, Notice of Violation Order to Correct, which is The photos on four / 13 will show the equipment. It will show - June 16 2026 Chaname CE Renton-Trimmed by Rev (Completed 07/09/26) Transcript by Rev.com Page 18 of 26 Examiner Olbrechts: (30:16): Was that the fourth notice of violation or? Yeah, Ms. Locher:: (30:19): The fourth notice of violation dated April 13th in that packet there is photo where I posted it on the property. There is a photo of the tent structure. There's photo of a great big pile of concrete with a sign caution steel plates ahead. There's the bad boys trucks. Examiner Olbrechts: (30:57): Okay. Yeah, I'm just trying to find that notice of violation. Hold on. Ms. Locher:: (31:02): Okay. Examiner Olbrechts: (31:07): So you don't have the exhibit number or... Oh, here we go. Exhibit eight. Yeah, Ms. Locher:: (31:10): I'm going to try here. Examiner Olbrechts: (31:12): Exhibit eight. Okay. Ms. Locher:: (31:23): Jim, April 13th, Exhibit eight. Examiner Olbrechts: (31:35): Yeah, I can't find that on this packet. Ms. Locher:: (31:40): Exhibit eight has the fourth notice. It has photos and that's where they applied for the appeal. So it's the last one in a packet. Examiner Olbrechts: (31:52): It looks like my PDF only goes through Exhibit five. Ms. Locher:: (31:56): Oh, well, you don't have all the information Examiner Olbrechts: (32:00): Then. Yeah. And Ms. Moya, I take it what you said this morning is not those additional exhibits, that's something else? June 16 2026 Chaname CE Renton-Trimmed by Rev (Completed 07/09/26) Transcript by Rev.com Page 19 of 26 Speaker 1 (32:13): Nope. I only have Exhibit five and then I have the other exhibit one to six. I don't have eight. Mr. Chaname: (32:25): Well, I see the screen. Those photos were taken yesterday? Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Those cars are not there anymore because we brought it to clean the yard again. Ms. Locher:: (32:40): Okay. Well, when I went out there yesterday morning, they were there. Mr. Chaname: (32:43): Yeah, it was Sunday. Examiner Olbrechts: (32:45): Right? Well, okay. Ms. Locher:: (32:47): Well, Examiner Olbrechts: (32:47): I Ms. Locher:: (32:47): Think - So Examiner Olbrechts: (32:48): You Ms. Locher:: (32:48): Don't have the exhibits Examiner Olbrechts: (32:49): One through nine. I just have one through five and then whatever was emailed this morning. Speaker 1 (32:54): Oh, I just found them. I don't have them as when they were sent. Examiner Olbrechts: (33:00): I'm going to - Was that a separate packet from one through five? Speaker 1 (33:04): I think it might've been. I just stick them all in his folder in Laserfiche. I don't have the date on them, so I'm going to send them. But it says it's named Exhibits one to six and it's really one to nine. June 16 2026 Chaname CE Renton-Trimmed by Rev (Completed 07/09/26) Transcript by Rev.com Page 20 of 26 Examiner Olbrechts: (33:27): Okay. And you just sent that to me or? Speaker 1 (33:30): It's downloading now. Examiner Olbrechts: (33:32): Oh, okay. Speaker 1 (33:34): I'm going to send it to everybody just so that Shana Mays also see it. They might not get it because it's too big. I might have to split it for them. Come on. Oh, I'm going to have to... It's too big for me to send. I'm going to have to split it. Examiner Olbrechts: (34:16): Seven. Do you need a few minutes, Ms. Moya? Speaker 1 (34:18): Yeah, I'm sorry. Examiner Olbrechts: (34:19): Can we take a little break? Five minutes. Let's take a five-minute break. I'll be back at 9:42. Speaker 1 (34:25): Okay. I'm going to send it in three different sections. Examiner Olbrechts: (34:28): Okay. Mr. Chaname: (37:57): Hello? Hello? Ms. Locher:: (38:01): Hello. Oh. Speaker 1 (38:07): Sorry, I just said Exhibit six and seven together. Oh, six and seven couldn't go to the Shanimae's. I'm going to have to split them. Sorry. Their email doesn't take. I just sent eight. Ms. Locher:: (38:25): Go back to the picture of the big, that thing right there. Is that... Oh, no, that's... Examiner Olbrechts: (38:34): June 16 2026 Chaname CE Renton-Trimmed by Rev (Completed 07/09/26) Transcript by Rev.com Page 21 of 26 Okay. Well, first, let's figure out how to get the exhibits too. So I mean, Ms. Moya, has Mr. Shanamay received all the exhibits in the mail though or has it been emailed to him before or is this the first time he's seeing them? Speaker 1 (38:49): I've sent them by email, but I'll have to double check on six through nine because she named it one to six. Ms. Locher:: (38:57): One to six for the first ones and then seven, eight, nine. Speaker 1 (39:04): Right. Ms. Locher:: (39:05): I sent it in two to you. Speaker 1 (39:07): Right. You sent me a city appeal file and then the other one was named one to six and it was actually six to nine. The naming convention was wrong. So I'm just splitting them now for them. But they received them to my knowledge, unless their email did not allow it. I didn't get a rejection notice back from them. Mr. Chaname: (39:31): This is the first time I've seen this. Speaker 1 (39:33): Okay. Ms. Locher:: (39:44): It's just the different notices and different pictures for each Examiner Olbrechts: (39:51): One. Okay. All right. Well, okay, so let's jump to the, if I can find it, the 4-13 then. Then I'm going to deal with the other exhibits later. Let's see if I can... So this is supposed to be exhibit eight. Okay. Speaker 1 (40:17): Just so you guys know, I'm sending six and seven separately because the Shada May's email won't allow me to send too big. Examiner Olbrechts: (40:31): So I've got Exhibit seven. Speaker 1 (40:35): And then here's six. June 16 2026 Chaname CE Renton-Trimmed by Rev (Completed 07/09/26) Transcript by Rev.com Page 22 of 26 Examiner Olbrechts: (40:37): What we need is the eight. That's what we've been looking for. Yeah, I Speaker 1 (40:40): Already sent Examiner Olbrechts: (40:41): Eight. Oh, you did. Okay. Speaker 1 (40:42): Yeah. Eight was separate, nine was separate. Examiner Olbrechts: (40:46): Oh, I see. Okay, got it here. Yeah. All right. Speaker 1 (40:48): They're just in weird orders now. Sorry. Examiner Olbrechts: (40:50): Okay. All right. Ms. Looker, is this what you're talking about? Ms. Locher:: (41:16): Yes. Examiner Olbrechts: (41:16): Okay, finally. All right. And so what was the charge on this one again? It's a membrane structure, is that right? Yeah, Ms. Locher:: (41:24): It needs a building permit. It's over 200 square feet, so it requires a building permit. Mr. Chaname: (41:30): So if I split them, they're not on their foundation, they're not under anything. They're just Home Depot tarps. The reason I put the tarp over is because it rains. I don't want my stuff to get out wet. Ms. Locher:: (41:51): Okay. I understand that, but the tarps are not allowed and I don't know what the structure is holding up those tarps. So it either has to come down or it has to get a building permit. Mr. Chaname: (42:05): It's not a solid structure. It's the Home Depot metal 12 by 20. Examiner Olbrechts: (42:16): June 16 2026 Chaname CE Renton-Trimmed by Rev (Completed 07/09/26) Transcript by Rev.com Page 23 of 26 Okay. Mr. Chaname: (42:17): All right. Come on now. Examiner Olbrechts: (42:19): Okay. All right. Okay. And that's it, Ms. Loker. No other comments? Ms. Locher:: (42:26): Pardon? Examiner Olbrechts: (42:27): Nothing further from the city? Ms. Locher:: (42:30): No, just to not run the equipment back and forth, get the building permit, park on approved services. If you want to do anything besides what's listed in here that you cannot do, if you contact the city and talk with the planning department, they'd be more than happy to help you. But I would urge you, Mr. Shanamay, not to ignore the city, to talk with them and have dialogue and figure out what you can and can't do in your property. That's all. Examiner Olbrechts: (43:06): Okay. And so Mr. Shanamae, you're saying you didn't see some of these documents that were just emailed. Is that correct? Mr. Chaname: (43:12): I saw some of the documents. Yeah. Examiner Olbrechts: (43:15): Do you need more time to look at them? Because what I can do is I can just leave this open for a week and you can look at them and submit some email comments if you want to make additional comments. Sure. Mr. Chaname: (43:24): Yeah. Yeah. Examiner Olbrechts: (43:25): Okay. So I'll leave the record open for a week and then that would be until June 23rd, five o'clock. And if you want to make any additional comments or if you want to reopen the hearing to make more verbal comments, just email Ms. Moya and let us know. Perfect. Mr. Chaname: (43:42): Last thing I want to say, is she going to give me options on how to clean my yard or is the city going to come and clean my yard? June 16 2026 Chaname CE Renton-Trimmed by Rev (Completed 07/09/26) Transcript by Rev.com Page 24 of 26 Examiner Olbrechts: (43:52): Well, I think if I find they're violations, then like Ms. Loker said, I talked to her, somebody in planning to figure out how you can use your construction vehicles to clean the yard because there are ways to do it, I think. So just work that out with them. And then now Mr. Shanamei, you said you had sent some pictures of neighboring property or something? I wasn't Mr. Chaname: (44:17): Sure. I sent some pictures of neighboring property. Yeah. Examiner Olbrechts: (44:20): So Ms. Moya, that's what you emailed her today? I sent it Mr. Chaname: (44:23): To Cindy this morning. Examiner Olbrechts: (44:24): Yeah. Mr. Chaname: (44:26): Yeah, Cynthia. Examiner Olbrechts: (44:27): Yeah. So let's - Speaker 1 (44:28): I forwarded them to everybody. Examiner Olbrechts: (44:29): Okay. All right. So this is, let's see, we got what, total of - Mr. Chaname: (44:33): That's my house. Those two vehicles, I used them this weekend because I had my kids party and we were cleaning up the yard and the vehicles are gone. They're actually on my job site right now in Seattle. Examiner Olbrechts: (44:47): Okay. Yeah, I'm just trying to figure out what Ms. Moya sent me earlier today. It looks like these are more from the city as opposed to Mr. Shanamay. I've got it. So Ms. Moya... Oh, okay. This is the one hour. I'm just trying to find them. Speaker 1 (45:04): You know how he sent them? I can send them to you in PDF form if you'd prefer. Examiner Olbrechts: (45:13): June 16 2026 Chaname CE Renton-Trimmed by Rev (Completed 07/09/26) Transcript by Rev.com Page 25 of 26 Well, I just got to find those emails. Okay, so 8:35. He sent them after Speaker 1 (45:20): Donna's. Let me find them. Examiner Olbrechts: (45:22): Yeah, because I have something at 8:35. These looks like city pictures, but yeah, maybe resending is the easiest thing, just so I know exactly what we're talking about. Speaker 1 (45:37): Give me one second. Sorry. I'm going to send them to all. Ms. Locher:: (45:54): I think I've got about five or six emails from you. Speaker 1 (45:58): Oh, you have about 30 just today. Ms. Locher:: (46:01): Oh, okay. 30. Nevermind. Speaker 1 (46:04): I feel like it. I'm like, holy smokes. Examiner Olbrechts: (46:08): Okay. Speaker 1 (46:10): So I'm sending their images 18, 13, 14, 15, 16 and 17 by PDF. So give me, they're just downloading now. Okay. Now they're sent. So you should be getting them. Examiner Olbrechts: (46:43): Okay, here we go. Speaker 1 (46:45): Because they sent them at 8:51. Examiner Olbrechts: (46:48): So we got a total of five attachments, is that right? Speaker 1 (46:51): One, two, yes. June 16 2026 Chaname CE Renton-Trimmed by Rev (Completed 07/09/26) Transcript by Rev.com Page 26 of 26 Examiner Olbrechts: (46:52): Okay. All right. So let's see here. Okay, so is that correct, Mr. Shanamay? You sent five pictures? Mr. Chaname: (47:01): And that's just this morning. Just two houses from Examiner Olbrechts: (47:04): My house, Mr. Chaname: (47:05): Five houses from my property. Examiner Olbrechts: (47:07): Okay. And Ms. Loker, any objections over entry of those documents? Ms. Locher:: (47:12): Pardon? Examiner Olbrechts: (47:13): Any objection over entry of the five pictures Mr. Shanamay submitted today? Ms. Locher:: (47:18): No. Examiner Olbrechts: (47:18): Okay. So those will be admitted into the record as well. I'll consider them. Okay. So with that, we're set. So Mr. Shanamay, you have until next week, next Tuesday to make any additional comments you want to make based on what Ms. Moya emailed you. And if you object to entering any of those documents that you hadn't seen, let us know too. So with that, we're adjourned for today. And Mr. Shanamay, just email your comments to Ms. Moya and she'll get them to me. Mr. Chaname: (47:46): I Examiner Olbrechts: (47:46): Will. I will. Okay. Thank you all. All right. Thank you. Have a good day. We're adjourned.