HomeMy WebLinkAboutD_PW_Comments-PSUB23-000390From: Sam A. Morman <SAMorman@rentonwa.gov>
Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2024 6:04 PM
To: Zach Schneider; Brandon Loucks
Cc: Carol Orr; Clark Close; Jill Ding
Subject: RE: PSUB23-000390 - Sophie Jo Short Plat
Hi again,
Just to clarify and get ahead of any confusion, the facility s8ll needs to be located fully within a tract to
meet subdivision code however, the easement is acceptable for the 5-foot setback requirement.
Best,
SAMUEL MORMAN | Civil Engineer II
City of Renton | CED | Development Engineering Division
1055 S Grady Way | 6th Floor | Renton, WA 98057
Virtual Permit Center | Online Applications and Inspections
(425) 430-7383 | SAMorman@rentonwa.gov
From: Sam A. Morman
Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2024 5:05 PM
To: Zach Schneider <zach@schneiderhomes.com>; Brandon Loucks <Brandon.Loucks@esmcivil.com>
Cc: Carol Orr <Carol.Orr@esmcivil.com>; Clark Close <CClose@Rentonwa.gov>; Jill Ding
<JDing@Rentonwa.gov>
Subject: RE: PSUB23-000390 - Sophie Jo Short Plat
Zach and Brandon,
AEer further discussion on this, and assuming the facility is private, it appears that the proposal using
the storm easement will work.
Thank you,
SAMUEL MORMAN | Civil Engineer II
City of Renton | CED | Development Engineering Division
1055 S Grady Way | 6th Floor | Renton, WA 98057
Virtual Permit Center | Online Applications and Inspections
(425) 430-7383 | SAMorman@rentonwa.gov
From: Jill Ding <JDing@Rentonwa.gov>
Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2024 1:54 PM
To: Zach Schneider <zach@schneiderhomes.com>; Sam A. Morman <SAMorman@rentonwa.gov>;
Brandon Loucks <Brandon.Loucks@esmcivil.com>
Cc: Carol Orr <Carol.Orr@esmcivil.com>; Clark Close <CClose@Rentonwa.gov>
Subject: RE: PSUB23-000390 - Sophie Jo Short Plat
Zach,
I will defer to Sam with respect to whether there is an opportunity to vary the setback requirements
between the edge of the facility and the property line. I believe he will be responding shortly.
Thanks,
JILL DING, Senior Planner
City of Renton | CED | Planning Division
1055 S Grady Way | 6th Floor | Renton, WA 98057
Virtual Permit Center | Online Applications and Inspections
(425) 430-6598 | jding@rentonwa.gov
From: Zach Schneider <zach@schneiderhomes.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2024 10:47 AM
To: Jill Ding <JDing@Rentonwa.gov>; Sam A. Morman <SAMorman@rentonwa.gov>; Brandon Loucks
<Brandon.Loucks@esmcivil.com>
Cc: Carol Orr <Carol.Orr@esmcivil.com>; Clark Close <CClose@Rentonwa.gov>
Subject: RE: PSUB23-000390 - Sophie Jo Short Plat
Jill,
Thanks for your response. Is there an opportunity for a variance on this? The lots are around 7000
square feet, and we’re not talking about any massive reductions in size, it’s a matter of inches. In a
state where we need more housing, I’m surprised to hear that one of your solutions is to reduce the
project? I guess I don’t understand, and it seems like the code could be interpreted di$erently to
allow. The issue is that the lot cannot encompass the same area as a setback from the stormwater
tract, correct? Why is this?
Zach J. Schneider
Vice President Operations | Schneider Family Homes
6510 Southcenter Blvd, Suite 1 Tukwila, WA 98188
C: 206-375-5592 O: 206-450-8330
From: Jill Ding <JDing@Rentonwa.gov>
Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2024 10:35 AM
To: Zach Schneider <zach@schneiderhomes.com>; Sam A. Morman <SAMorman@rentonwa.gov>;
Brandon Loucks <Brandon.Loucks@esmcivil.com>
Cc: Carol Orr <Carol.Orr@esmcivil.com>; Clark Close <CClose@Rentonwa.gov>
Subject: RE: PSUB23-000390 - Sophie Jo Short Plat
Zach,
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In order for a short plat applica8on to be accepted by the City for review, the proposed layout would
need to demonstrate compliance with the City’s adopted codes and regula8ons. This includes the
minimum lot depth requirement of 80 feet (RMC 4-2-110A), the placement of the stormwater facility
within a tract (RMC 4-7-200B), as well as any setback requirements between the stormwater facility and
property line. Based on our review, you have two op8ons available to you at this point: 1) redesign the
stormwater facility such that the short plat layout would comply with these minimum dimensional
requirements; or 2) revise the short plat layout to a two lot short plat.
Thanks,
JILL DING, Senior Planner
City of Renton | CED | Planning Division
1055 S Grady Way | 6th Floor | Renton, WA 98057
Virtual Permit Center | Online Applications and Inspections
(425) 430-6598 | jding@rentonwa.gov
From: Zach Schneider <zach@schneiderhomes.com>
Sent: Monday, February 26, 2024 3:55 PM
To: Sam A. Morman <SAMorman@rentonwa.gov>; Brandon Loucks <Brandon.Loucks@esmcivil.com>
Cc: Jill Ding <JDing@Rentonwa.gov>; Carol Orr <Carol.Orr@esmcivil.com>; Clark Close
<CClose@Rentonwa.gov>
Subject: RE: PSUB23-000390 - Sophie Jo Short Plat
Hello,
Just checking in to see if this has been given any further consideration or been resolved. Thank you,
Zach J. Schneider
Vice President Operations | Schneider Family Homes
6510 Southcenter Blvd, Suite 1 Tukwila, WA 98188
C: 206-375-5592 O: 206-450-8330
From: Sam A. Morman <SAMorman@rentonwa.gov>
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2024 5:00 PM
To: Zach Schneider <zach@schneiderhomes.com>; Brandon Loucks <Brandon.Loucks@esmcivil.com>
Cc: Jill Ding <JDing@Rentonwa.gov>; Carol Orr <Carol.Orr@esmcivil.com>; Clark Close
<CClose@Rentonwa.gov>
Subject: RE: PSUB23-000390 - Sophie Jo Short Plat
Hi Zach,
I understand your concern with geHng this project moving. From the engineering side of this, I’m
looking from the lens of ensuring that stormwater requirements are able to be met. My email below
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from 2/15 describes my concerns with how this code was not being met in the most recent submiJal. I
see the best path forward being my coordina8on with Jill on the code in play.
With that being said, I’m including Clark, the Current Planning Manager, onto this email to help in Jill’s
absence.
Thank you,
SAMUEL MORMAN | Civil Engineer II
City of Renton | CED | Development Engineering Division
1055 S Grady Way | 6th Floor | Renton, WA 98057
Virtual Permit Center | Online Applications and Inspections
(425) 430-7383 | SAMorman@rentonwa.gov
From: Zach Schneider <zach@schneiderhomes.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2024 3:23 PM
To: Sam A. Morman <SAMorman@rentonwa.gov>; Brandon Loucks <Brandon.Loucks@esmcivil.com>
Cc: Jill Ding <JDing@Rentonwa.gov>; Carol Orr <Carol.Orr@esmcivil.com>
Subject: RE: PSUB23-000390 - Sophie Jo Short Plat
Hi Sam,
Thank you for your response. Would it be possible to discuss this with Breanne and or Jennifer in
Jills absence? I’m not understanding why this is holding up a NOCA at this preliminary stage. It
seems to me that there’s overlapping code between planning and engineering that can be
interpreted fairly to move my application forward. Please advise. Thank you,
Zach J. Schneider
Vice President Operations | Schneider Family Homes
6510 Southcenter Blvd, Suite 1 Tukwila, WA 98188
C: 206-375-5592 O: 206-450-8330
From: Sam A. Morman <SAMorman@rentonwa.gov>
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2024 3:06 PM
To: Brandon Loucks <Brandon.Loucks@esmcivil.com>
Cc: Jill Ding <JDing@Rentonwa.gov>; Carol Orr <Carol.Orr@esmcivil.com>; Zach Schneider
<zach@schneiderhomes.com>
Subject: RE: PSUB23-000390 - Sophie Jo Short Plat
Hi Brandon,
Thank you for your email. I’m going to be coordina8ng with Jill to see if there’s any op8ons here,
although I’m not promising anything. Jill is currently out of office and is returning on Monday, so I’ll
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reach back out to you next week when we’ve had a chance to coordinate. I appreciate your pa8ence on
this.
Best,
SAMUEL MORMAN | Civil Engineer II
City of Renton | CED | Development Engineering Division
1055 S Grady Way | 6th Floor | Renton, WA 98057
Virtual Permit Center | Online Applications and Inspections
(425) 430-7383 | SAMorman@rentonwa.gov
From: Brandon Loucks <Brandon.Loucks@esmcivil.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2024 2:42 PM
To: Sam A. Morman <SAMorman@rentonwa.gov>
Cc: Jill Ding <JDing@Rentonwa.gov>; Carol Orr <Carol.Orr@esmcivil.com>; Zach Schneider
<zach@schneiderhomes.com>
Subject: RE: PSUB23-000390 - Sophie Jo Short Plat
Hi Sam,
Checking in on this. Thanks.
BRANDON LOUCKS, PE
ESM CONSULTING ENGINEERS
253.838.6113
From: Brandon Loucks
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2024 2:04 PM
To: Sam A. Morman <SAMorman@rentonwa.gov>
Cc: Jill Ding <JDing@Rentonwa.gov>; Carol Orr <Carol.Orr@esmcivil.com>
Subject: RE: PSUB23-000390 - Sophie Jo Short Plat
Hi Sam and Jill,
Appreciate the understanding and the reply. I’ve been digging into this further to see what else
possibility I could do. I can go slightly higher with the vault, maybe 6 inches, but I’m s8ll going to come
up slightly short here.
In an effort to at least keep the storm analysis on the up and up (accoun8ng for frontage bypass, doing a
bit of target surface trading, ect.) something will likely need to give here to meet the lot depth
minimum and put the vault plus setbacks within a tract.
If there any way, maybe through a devia8on of sorts, that could allow for the last 3 feet or so of the
required setback be made up of a func8onally equivalent easement? The intended purpose of the 5-
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foot setback would be met. Or would the city rather this be two lots because a setback cannot be
within the tract as a result of being a few feet short.
Just to revisit the compe8ng codes here and going back to the ‘meet in the middle’ idea.
First, if looking at the stormwater requirements, there is an allowance for a vault to be within an
easement, and the setback being from an easement line as you noted below. Thus I would consider the
stormwater code met.
Next, looking at the residen8al subdivision requirement. The requirement is that the vault be located in
a dedicated tract. I feel like this has also been met as the vault is indeed located en8rely within a
tract. The setback requirement comes from the drainage requirements, which allows for easement.
So don’t know if that would have any weight for considera8on. Given the situa8on here though, let me
know if it looks like we need to end the project or if there is any hope at a solu8on.
Thanks again,
BRANDON LOUCKS, PE
ESM CONSULTING ENGINEERS
253.838.6113
From: Sam A. Morman <SAMorman@rentonwa.gov>
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2024 12:00 PM
To: Brandon Loucks <Brandon.Loucks@esmcivil.com>
Cc: Jill Ding <JDing@Rentonwa.gov>
Subject: RE: PSUB23-000390 - Sophie Jo Short Plat
Hi Brandon,
Thank you for your email.
I’m following your logic for how you got to the “tract or easement” language that you are referring to in
the storm manual however, as this is a residen8al subdivision, this project must also meet all residen8al
subdivision code requirements in addi8on to the storm requirements. I agree with Jill that for this
project, the proposed vault would need to be fully within a tract so that the residen8al subdivision
requirements can be met.
Based on your most recent submiJal, I do understand what you are proposing. Unfortunately, the code
is explicit in the setback requirements for deten8on vaults sta8ng, “Setbacks to tract/easement lines for
vaults shall be 5 feet”. Given the most recent proposal, this is not being met.
Moving forward, in looking to meet this criteria, is there a possibility to alter the vault dimensions/depth
to meet the setbacks? I haven’t explored if this would work with the grading and conveyance systems
but I’m just brainstorming.
Let me know if you have any ques8ons about my responses.
Thank you,
SAMUEL MORMAN | Civil Engineer II
City of Renton | CED | Development Engineering Division
1055 S Grady Way | 6th Floor | Renton, WA 98057
Virtual Permit Center | Online Applications and Inspections
(425) 430-7383 | SAMorman@rentonwa.gov