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VIDEOCONFERENC[NG FILE NUMBER: BL041328
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IN RE : KAZI ' S HOOKAH LOUNGE
MOCK JURY SERVICES
BUSINESS OWNER: SHADIKA KAZI
LEGAL TRANSCRIPTION
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1 APPEARANCES 1 to go first. Ms. Kazi will have a chance to explain
2 2 why you're appealing the City's decision to deny
3 APPEARING ON BEHALF OF THE CITY OF RENTON: 3 your business license renewal application and if
4 LESLIE C.CLARK, ESQUIRE 4 you're presenting any witnesses or providing any
5 Renton City Attorney's Office 5 testimony,then Ms.Clark will have a chance to
6 1055 S.Grady Way 6 cross examine you once you're finished making your
7 Renton,WA 98057 7 presentation. And then once you're done with your
8 (425)430-6480 8 presentation,then Ms.Clark will have an
9 (425)430-6498(Fax) 9 opportunity to argue her side of the case and
10 Iclark@rentonwa.gov 10 present witnesses and all her witnesses will be
11 11 subject to cross examination from you.
12 APPEARING ON BEHALF OF THE BUSINESS OWNER: 12 And then, Ms.Kazi,you as the appellant
13 SHADIKA KAZI 13 will have the final word here. Once Ms.Clark is
14 PRO SE 14 done with her presentation you can wrap it up with
15 111 Airport Way 15 rebuttal evidence and closing comments. So,any
16 Renton,WA 98057 16 questions about this process, how it works or whaYs
17 (206)518-8320 17 going on?
�$ 18 MS. KAZI: No.
19 19 HEARING EXAMINER: Okay,all right.
20 20 MS.CLARK: Mr. Hearing Examiner, I
2� 21 apologize for the interruption.
22 22 HEARING EXAMINER: Oh,sure. Yeah.
23 23 MS.CLARK: But the City has requested and
24 24 I believe the notice that went out on June 11 set
25 25 today as a pre-hearing conference rather than a
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1 HEARING 1 hearing on the merits.
2 HELD ON 2 HEARING EXAMINER: Oh,okay. Yeah,see
3 TUESDAY,JUNE 26,2018 3 the only thing I got was a copy of Ms. Kazi's
4 11:09 A.M. 4 request for reconsideration. ThaYs it. I don't
5 BEFORE 5 have anything else. So thaYs,you know, I just saw
6 PHIL OLBRECHTS 6 the other stuff in the file,unfortunately,so I'm a
7 HEARING EXAMINER 7 little--this one I was a little in the dark at.
8 8 So we're just having a pre-hearing
9 HEARING EXAMINER: All right,so we're g conference today,okay. Well,that makes it a bit
10 back on the record. It is about ten after 11:00 on 10 easier. Hopefully I didn't give anyone a heart
11 June 26th,2018. I'm Phil Olbrechts, hearing 11 attack then with all my comments about going through
12 examiner for the City of Renton. We're now dealing, 12 the full-blown hearing at this point.
13 addressing an appeal of a business license decision, 13 But okay,so at a pre-hearing conference
14 a decision to deny a renewal of the Kazi's Hookah 14 we discuss what witnesses we will present and
15 Lounge, LLC. I see we have the City Attorney's 15 whether any pre-hearing issues need to be addressed
16 Office here. Ma'am,what's your name again for the 16 by motions or that kind of thing.
17 record? 17 First of all, I mean are there any
18 MS.CLARK: Leslie Clark. 18 preliminary issues that need to be resolved prior to
19 HEARING EXAMINER: Okay,thank you, Ms. 19 the hearing? Ms.Clark,was there anything you
20 Clark. And, ma'am,are you for the Kazi's Lounge? 20 wanted to--motions you wanted to file or something
21 WhaYs your name? 21 like that?
22 MS. KAZI: Shadika Kazi. 22 MS.CLARK: No,the City's not having
23 HEARING EXAMINER: Okay,all right,great. 23 preliminary motions.
24 All right,so the procedure we'll have 24 HEARING EXAMINER: Okay. Ms. Kazi,
25 then is since iYs an appeal the appellant will get 25 anything you wanted to--and by preliminary I mean
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1 sometimes,you know,especially the attorneys they 1 significant or--
2 want to deal with things that are just like a legal 2 MS.CLARK: No,thaYs correct. And I was
3 issue that doesn't require any factual analysis,so 3 going to state on the record that the City is
4 they want to address it by briefing in advance where 4 limiting our issues to the issues covered in that
5 they say the examiner should rule that this statute 5 April 19th,2018 letter.
6 means this and then we have briefing back and forth 6 HEARING EXAMINER: Okay, right. So you,
7 and thaYs decided before we go to hearing. 7 if you're saying,you know,the City was wrong,you
8 I mean were you considering anything like 8 need to be able to present evidence that A,your
9 that? It doesn't look like it. 9 business was really members only,and B,and this is
10 MS. KAZI: I have no idea. 10 the part like I said I just saw this for the first
11 HEARING EXAMINER: No idea,okay. Yeah, 11 time,but the second issue is that you have to
12 thaYs perfectly fine. We'll just do a standard 12 establish that you didn't have employees being
13 hearing then. 13 subjected to the secondhand smoke,you know,that
14 So,you know,one of the things we like to 14 smoking wasn't occurring on the business premises
15 find out then in advance is,you know,how many 15 while the business was operating,so.
16 witnesses we're going to have,who's going to be 16 MS. KAZI: Yes,yes.
17 testifying and what kind of evidence is going to be 17 HEARING EXAMINER: Yeah,yeah. So based
18 presented. So iYs probably more productive to go 18 on that do you know what kind of witnesses you'd be
19 first to you, Ms. Kazi,since the City's going to be 19 bringing then,if any?
20 responding to whatever and then to present. 20 MS. KAZI: Yes. I have been collecting
21 So when we have the hearing who would you 21 members only since I opened the business. I'm aware
22 be bringing as a witness? Just yourself or? 22 of the smoking lounge has to be a private membership
23 MS. KAZI: Today,yes. But I can 23 (indiscernible).
24 definitely bring my(indiscernible). 24 HEARING EXAMINER: Okay. So that for,you
25 HEARING EXAMINER: Oh,the hearing's not 25 know,you're not proving that today. This is just
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1 today. We're just planning for the hearing. We'll 1 for when we have the hearing,do you know what
2 set a date today which is going to be a date down in 2 witnesses you'll be bringing in to testify about the
3 the future. So when we do have the hearing,when we 3 fact that iYs just a members-only club and there's
4 schedule that date will it just be yourself thaYs 4 no smoking going on in front of employees?
5 going to testify then; is that right? 5 MS. KAZI: Yes,definitely. I have
6 MS. KAZI: It depends on the situation 6 databased all the(indiscernible)membership
7 which,you know,what kind of witness do you need. 7 listings,so in case you came as a first-time
8 So,you know, it depends on,you know,what kind of 8 visitor or first time that you'd like to become a
9 proof-- 9 member so you can get access to the lounge only
10 HEARING EXAMINER: Yeah. 10 eventually apply for membership.
11 MS. KAZI: --or,you know,if it's 11 HEARING EXAMINER: Oh,are you going to be
12 inquired to have some kind of(indiscernible)plans 12 bringing that list then with you to the hearing?
13 to make those comments or a witness,then I'll 13 MS. KAZI: Yes,definitely.
14 definitely bring witnesses and-- 14 HEARING EXAMINER: Okay,all right. So
15 HEARING EXAMINER: Yeah. Well,as I said, 15 you're going to bring the list. Are there any other
16 I was just looking over for the first time the 16 documents you're going to bring to the hearing?
17 letter from the City. They outlined why they were 17 MS. KAZI: Yes. And then there was some
18 saying that your license shouldn't be renewed,and 18 changes were requested for like an application form
19 it looks like iYs because apparently the City is 19 from the Health Department, I think for then some
20 alleging that your business wasn't being operated as 20 kind of application form should be in place. So I
21 a members-only establishment,that the public was 21 started application form which has some,which has
22 invited to attend and it was a place of employment 22 information but not everything that the Health
23 where smoking was going on. 23 Department like to see. For example,has the name,
24 Those are, I think,two of the main 24 phone number,customer name,phone number,when did
25 allegations. Am I missing anything else thaYs 25 they became a member for this lounge and when did
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1 they apply for it,those kind of information. 1 HEARING EXAMINER: Yeah,okay. So you
2 HEARING EXAMINER: Okay. 2 have at least three people you're going to ask to
3 MS. KAZI: However,they wanted to--when 3 show up at the hearing and you'll probably bring two
4 I talked, I want to show to the Health Department, 4 or three with you,okay.
5 he said, "I would like to see rules and regulation 5 All right,IeYs see. And, Ms.Clark, how
6 as well and the processing that,"you know,he 6 about the City,what kind of evidence and witnesses
7 approved it the next day or something like that. 7 do you plan on bringing?
8 So that was something that we were working 8 MS.CLARK: The City anticipates at this
9 together to find out exactly how it is to be because 9 point approximately five witnesses.
10 it was something this was never happened. It became 10 HEARING EXAMINER: Okay.
11 a new processing enforcement from the Health 11 MS.CLARK: And so it would be three City
12 Department to make it more private. 12 staff members, Linda Weldon in our Administrative
13 HEARING EXAMINER: Okay,so you're going 13 Services Department, possibly another representative
14 to bring a membership list and then I guess the 14 from the Administrative Services Department, Donna
15 application forms-- 15 Locher with Community Economic Development and then
16 MS. KAZI: Yes. 16 two King County staff members, Mr.Scott Neal and
17 HEARING EXAMINER: --you're going to 17 Mr. Fel Pajimula.
18 bring that. Any other documents you're going to 18 HEARING EXAMINER: And they're from Public
19 bring? 19 Health, is that--
20 MS. KAZI: I can have any person of the 20 MS.CLARK: ThaYs correct.
21 lounge witness,you know. 21 HEARING EXAMINER: All right,okay. What
22 HEARING EXAMINER: Yeah,thaYs what I was 22 about documents? Do you anticipate bringing any
23 asking originally. So do you plan on bringing a 23 documents other than the,you know,the appeal
24 couple members in to testify? 24 documents that we--
25 MS. KAZI: Oh yes, I can bring hundreds of 25 MS.CLARK: We do not.
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1 them or-- 1 HEARING EXAMINER: Okay.
2 HEARING EXAMINER: All right. Well, 2 MS.CLARK: You know it is possible that
3 thaYs what we're trying to find out now,you know, 3 King County may have,they had mentioned that they
4 who you're bringing specifically. Do you have any 4 may have a draft policy that they would bring,but
5 idea? I mean probably not necessarily bring 5 that is uncertain at this point.
6 hundreds, but if you can bring a couple that would 6 HEARING EXAMINER: Okay. So whaYs the
7 be very helpful and could you let us know who that 7 status of the business right now? Is it operating?
8 is right now or? 8 Is the whole business renewal denial on hold until
9 MS. KAZI: I would definitely bring some 9 this issue is resolved or are they shut down until
10 of my clients that comes every day. 10 this is resolved?
11 HEARING EXAMINER: Okay. 11 MS.CLARK: I don't know factually about
12 MS. KAZI: And thaYs somebody,you know, 12 the business. I would defer to Ms. Kazi about that.
13 I call him myA.J.-- 13 HEARING EXAMINER: Okay.
14 HEARING EXAMINER: Okay. 14 MS. KAZI: Business on a--iYs still
15 MS. KAZI: --but he's definitely works 15 operating as of right now.
16 for(indiscernible)-- 16 HEARING EXAMINER: Okay.
17 HEARING EXAMINER: Okay. 17 MS. KAZI: And basically I had to appeal
18 MS. KAZI: --you know,areas and I have 18 it,the decision in a certain amount of time and I
19 (indiscernible)member from who actually became a 19 appealed it--
20 winner of(indiscernible). And I also have, I 20 HEARING EXAMINER: Right.
21 believe this person's name is Osama(phonetic). He 21 MS. KAZI: --(indiscernible)and,you
22 also works with the City of Bellevue. 22 know,the decision was not right and I would like to
23 HEARING EXAMINER: Okay. 23 see--
24 MS. KAZI: So he actually,he was supposed 24 HEARING EXAMINER: Okay.
25 to run for mayor but it didn't work out. 25 MS. KAZI:--where I can actually keep my
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1 business going on for the people in which they come 1 you mentioned you're going to have some,you know,
2 here. And they actually make their way from far 2 you're going to have your registration list,your
3 away. They,you know,from Bellevue,you know-- 3 application forms and that kind of thing. Just make
4 HEARING EXAMINER: Okay. 4 sure you get a copy of all the documents you intend
5 MS. KAZI: --after office hour they try 5 on submitting at the hearing to Ms.Clark a week in
6 to come. And because of that it makes very hard for 6 advance and she can give you her email address,you
7 some of the customer to not have that access to some 7 know,once we're done with the hearing today or you
8 -- 8 can personally deliver it to her office. You guys
9 HEARING EXAMINER: Okay. 9 can work that out.
10 MS. KAZI: So,yes-- 10 And of course, Ms.Clark,the same goes
11 HEARING EXAMINER: So-- 11 for you. Although it sounds like at least right now
12 MS. KAZI: --iYs open as of right now. 12 you don't have any documents in mind, but you'll
13 HEARING EXAMINER: --iYs still going. 13 know from King County by that deadline. So,yeah,
14 And, Ms.Clark,do you have any heartburn 14 so July 3rd then is the deadline for exchange of
15 that business staying open until the appeal is 15 exhibits.
16 resolved or? 16 And if you anticipate--and then, Ms.
17 MS.CLARK: No. 17 Kazi,if you could give Ms.Clark then a list of the
18 HEARING EXAMINER: Okay. 18 witnesses you're going to bring to the hearing,you
19 MS.CLARK: The City's position is that 19 said you're going to bring some members. You should
20 there is currently no valid business license. 20 know by July 3rd what members you're going to bring.
21 However,the order to close the business is stayed 21 If you could then supply that list to Ms.Clark a
22 pending the outcome of the appeal. 22 week in advance that would be helpful too.
23 HEARING EXAMINER: Okay. Okay,great. 23 MS. KAZI: So when is the deadline for
24 Yeah, I was just,yeah,wanted to know how much of a 24 exchanging any--
25 rush we are to get this done, because obviously if 25 HEARING EXAMINER: July 3rd.
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1 her business is closed and she's not making any 1 MS. KAZI: Is there any way we could
2 money she'd be much more inclined to have an early 2 actually make it a little bit more,because today's
3 appeal date. 3 the 26th and--
4 But,so IeYs talk about dates then. I 4 MS.CLARK: And the City would be fine
5 mean maybe--let me check my calendar. 5 with scheduling the deadline forjust one week in
6 Oh,thanks. That helps too, perfect. 6 advance of the hearing if that(indiscernible).
7 All right,is July 10th to soon or would 7 HEARING EXAMINER: Oh, I'm sorry. I was
8 that work for everybody? 8 thinking July 10th,still. I'll say July 17th, I'm
9 MS.CLARK: In speaking with King County- 9 sorry. Yeah,July 17th,how's that? Okay,yeah.
10 - 10 Sorry, I was a little off there. Okay,so July 17th
11 HEARING EXAMINER: Uh-huh. 11 is the deadline for exchange of witness names and
12 MS.CLARK: --they had requested that we 12 thaYs if iYs any witness names in addition to the
13 not schedule for either July 10th or the 17th. 13 ones that were disclosed today.
14 HEARING EXAMINER: Oh,all right. So that 14 And,Ms. Kazi,you don't have specific
15 would be the 24th then it sounds like. That works. 15 names yet,so all your witnesses would have to be
16 Ms. Kazi,does the 24th work for you,July 16 mentioned for the first time by July 17th to Ms.
17 24th? 17 Clark. Just email that to her and then as well as
18 MS. KAZI: Yes, I am in the town. Yes. 18 any documents you're going to bring at the hearing,
19 HEARING EXAMINER: Okay,all right. LeYs 19 and the same goes for Ms.Clark.
20 do it then at,why don't we do it at 1 o'clock right 20 So,all right,anything else we need to
21 after lunch? And in terms of exhibits,did you want 21 address right now? Okay. Well,good. I look
22 to have a deadline for exchanging exhibits like a 22 forward to the hearing on the 24th then at 1 o'clock
23 week in advance,would that be good for everybody? 23 p.m. It sounds good. Thank you.
24 MS. KAZI: Yes. 24 (WHEREUPON,the hearing concluded at 11:22
25 HEARING EXAMINER: Okay. So,Ms. Kazi, 25 a.m.)
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