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LITIGATION SUPPORT
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LEGAL V[DEOGRAPHY
VIDEOCONFERENC[NG FILE NUMBER: BL041328
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IN RE : KAZI ' S HOOKAH LOUNGE
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BUSINESS OWNER: SHADIKA KAZI
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1 APPEARANCES 1 EXHIBITS
2 2 CITY'S EXHIBITS:
3 APPEARING ON BEHALF OF THE CITY OF RENTON: 3 No. Description Offered Admitted
4 LESLIE CLARK, ESQUIRE 4
5 Renton City Attorney's Office 5 Exhibits 1-12 7 7
6 1055 S.Grady Way 6
7 Renton,WA 98057 7
8 (425)430-6480 8
9 (425)430-6498(Fax) 9
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11 APPEARING ON BEHALF OF THE BUSINESS OWNER: 11
12 SHADIKA KAZI 12
13 PRO SE 13
14 111 Airport Way 14
15 Renton,WA 98057 15
16 (206)518-8320 16
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1 INDEX 1 EXHIBITS CONTINUED
2 Page 2 APPELLANT'S EXHIBITS:
3 SHADIK KAZI 3 No. Description Offered Admitted
4 Direct (By Ms. Clark) 21 4
5 Direct (By Ms. Clark) 122 5 A-1 Letter 11 18
6 Direct (By Hearing Examiner) 123 6 A-2 Letter 11 18
7 Direct (By Ms. Clark) 130 7 A-3 Letter 11 18
8 8 A-4 Letter 12 18
9 LINDA WELTON 9 A-5 Letter 12 18
10 Direct (By Ms. Clark) 43 10 A-6 Email 12 18
11 11 A-7 Photo 12 18
12 DONNA LOCHER 12 A-8 Document 12 18
13 Direct (By Ms. Clark) 52 13 A-9 Document 13 18
14 Direct (By Ms. Kazi) 53 14 A-10 Document 13 18
15 15 A-11 Document 13 18
16 SCOTT NEAL 16 A-12 Document 13 18
17 Direct (By Ms. Clark) 54 17 A-13 Yelp Reviews 14 18
18 Direct (By Ms. Kazi) 66 18 A-14 Document 14 18
19 19 A-15 Document 14 18
20 FELS PAJIMULA 20 A-16 Document 14 18
21 Direct (By Ms. Clark) 74 21 A-17 Advertisement 14 18
22 Direct (By Hearing Examiner) 88 22 A-18 Membership Application 15 18
23 Direct (By Ms. Kazi) 89 23 A-18(SIC)Videos 132 N/A
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1 HEARING 1 exhibit was not numbered.
2 HELD ON 2 HEARING EXAMINER: No,we're talking about
3 TUESDAY,SEPTEMBER 25,2018 3 the City's right now. We'll get to yours in a--
4 1:34 P.M. 4 MS. KAZI: Oh, no. I don't have any
5 BEFORE 5 objections.
6 PHIL OLBRECHTS 6 HEARING EXAMINER: All right,so I'll
7 HEARING EXAMINER 7 admit the City's Exhibits 1 through 12.
8 8 (WHEREUPON,documents marked for
9 HEARING EXAMINER: All right,IeYs get 9 identification as City's Exhibits 1-12 were received
10 started. IYs about 1:30 p.m., Renton City Council 10 into evidence.)
11 Meeting Chambers, September 25th,2018. I'm Phil 11 HEARING EXAMINER: And now Ms. Kazi had
12 Olbrechts,hearing examiner. We have an appeal of a 12 some exhibits as well. I don't know if I have a
13 denial of a business license renewal application, 13 copy up here of those. Is that something recently,
14 BL041328. The format for today's hearing appeal 14 Ms. Kazi? Did you bring those exhibits recently?
15 will be the City will present its case as to why it 15 MS. KAZI: I send the exhibit in July.
16 decided to deny the renewal application. They'll be 16 HEARING EXAMINER: Oh,okay. You did send
17 allowed to present witnesses. Any witness testimony 17 them in July. All right,okay. I'm just trying to
18 shall be subject to cross examination. 18 find them here.
19 Ms. Kazi,you can ask questions of all the 19 MS. KAZI: I do have some of the stuff.
20 witnesses the City presents. Once the City's done 20 HEARING EXAMINER: All right,hold on a
21 presenting its case,then Ms. Kazi you can present 21 second.
22 yours and also present witnesses,and your witnesses 22 Yeah,there doesn't appear to be any
23 too will be subject to cross examination. 23 exhibits in the clerk's file. Did you just send
24 And then the City has the final right of 24 your exhibits to Ms. Clark, Ms. Kazi?
25 rebuttal. They get to respond to any evidence you 25 MS. KAZI: Yes.
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1 presented,and I have a couple weeks to issue a 1 HEARING EXAMINER: Oh,okay,all right.
2 decision. So,any questions about the format or how 2 Do you have an extra copy of those with you today
3 to do this? 3 that I could have?
4 Okay,any preliminary matters the parties 4 MS. KAZI: I do have it someplace.
5 wanted to bring up before we get started? 5 HEARING EXAMINER: Okay,yeah. If you
6 Okay, Ms.Clark? 6 could give me a set,that would be really helpful.
7 MS.CLARK: (Indiscernible), Mr. Hearing 7 If thaYs your only copy you can keep them
8 Examiner,Leslie Clark with the City Attorney's 8 for now,but okay,all right.
9 Office for the City of Renton. Both parties 9 MS. KAZI: I can only give you certain
10 admitted exhibits or submitted exhibits and so I'd 10 (indiscernible)copy. The rest of it I probably
11 like to move to admit the City's Exhibits 1 through 11 need it and I can give it to you when I
12 12. 12 (indiscernible).
13 HEARING EXAMINER: Okay. 13 HEARING EXAMINER: Okay. Well,yeah.
14 MS. CLARK: And I wanted to state that the 14 Actually,why don't--can you make copies of--
15 City has no objection to appellanYs exhibits, 15 yeah,we'll make copies right now of all your
16 however, I wanted to talk about how to identify them 16 exhibits and then we'll take a little break to do
17 for record purposes since the City did not receive 17 that. I think iYll be a lot easier to get through
18 them numbered. 18 that way.
19 HEARING EXAMINER: Oh,okay,all right. 19 MS.CLARK: And the City would request a
20 So the City has identified 12 exhibits in an exhibit 20 copy as well since there are many pages submitted
21 list that was submitted,oh,and that includes your 21 and it looks like we're reduced down to just a few.
22 supplementary list, right? Okay,yeah. 22 I'd like a copy of(indiscernible).
23 So, Ms.Kazi,do you have any objections 23 HEARING EXAMINER: Oh,okay. All right,
24 to the entry of the City's 12 exhibits? 24 sure. Okay,so we'll--how much time do you need,
25 MS. KAZI: I'm not sure exactly which 25 Sandy,do you think?
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1 THE CLERK: Five. 1 website called Fivestars showing total visits,total
2 HEARING EXAMINER: Okay,all right. So 2 members of Kazi's Hookah Lounge and thaYs composed
3 we'll take a little five to ten-minute recess to get 3 of five pages. I'm sorry,that should be,yeah,A-
4 those copies done. 4 9. Okay.
5 (WHEREUPON,a recess was taken.) 5 (WHEREUPON,a document, Fivestars Member
6 HEARING EXAMINER: A-1 will be first page, 6 Data,was marked Exhibit A-9 for identification.)
7 the letter to Dear Members of Renton City Council. 7 HEARING EXAMINER: Then A-10 is another
8 (WHEREUPON, Kazi letter requesting 8 Fivestars web page with a bunch of names blacked
9 business license application was marked Exhibit A-1 9 out. It looks like a membership list. It also is
10 for identification.) 10 five pages.
11 HEARING EXAMINER: A-2 will be a letterto 11 (WHEREUPON,a document, Fivestars Member
12 Ms. Iwen Wang from Ms. Kazi. 12 List,was marked Exhibit A-10 for identification.)
13 (WHEREUPON,a letter to Ms. Iwen Wang was 13 HEARING EXAMINER: A-11 is it looks like a
14 marked Exhibit A-2 for identification.) 14 business license application form filled out by Ms.
15 HEARING EXAMINER: A-3 is a letter to 15 Kazi dated April 20th,2015 and thaYs two pages.
16 Donna Locherfrom Ms. Kazi. 16 (WHEREUPON,a document,"Kazi Hookah
17 (WHEREUPON,a letter to Donna Locher was 17 Lounge"business license application,was marked
18 marked Exhibit A-3 for identification.) 18 Exhibit A-11 for identification.)
19 HEARING EXAMINER: A-4 is a letter date 19 HEARING EXAMINER: A-12 is a business
20 stamped May 10th,2018, Dear City of Renton 20 license to Kazi's Hookah Lounge dated April 30th,
21 Administrative Services Administrator,subject, 21 2017, BL038974.
22 Appealing for obtaining a renewal license for Hookah 22 (WHEREUPON,a document, Kazi's Hookah
23 Lounge. 23 Lounge business license,BL038904,was marked
24 (WHEREUPON,a letter to Renton 24 Exhibit A-12 for identification.)
25 Administrative Services Administrator re"Appealing 25 HEARING EXAMINER: A-13 appear to be Yelp
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1 for obtaining a renewal license for Hookah Lounge" 1 reviews or some kind of reviews. ThaYs two pages.
2 was marked Exhibit A-4 for identification.) 2 (WHERUPON,Yelp reviews were marked
3 HEARING EXAMINER: A-5 is a letter date 3 Exhibit A-13 for identification.)
4 stamped May 23rd,2018 to Dear City of Renton 4 HEARING EXAMINER: A-14 is a membership
5 Administrative Services Administrator and City 5 form.
6 Hearing Examiner. 6 (WHEREUPON,a document titled"Membership
7 (WHEREUPON,a letter to City of Renton 7 AgreemenY'was marked Exhibit A-14 for
8 Administrative Services and City Hearing Examiner 8 identification.)
9 was marked Exhibit A-5 for identification.) 9 HEARING EXAMINER: A-15 is a document
10 HEARING EXAMINER: A-6, I can't exactly 10 entitled"Business Licensing and Taxes."
11 tell what it is. Itjust says, has Google up on the 11 (WHERUPON,a document titled"Business
12 top left hand corner and that is composed of four 12 Licensing and Taxes"was marked Exhibit A-15 for
13 pages like that. 13 identification.)
14 (WHEREUPON,email to KC Public Health was 14 HEARING EXAMINER: A-16 is a document with
15 marked Exhibit A-6 for identification.) 15 a header"KGP Investment Group LLC."
16 HEARING EXAMINER: A-7 is a photograph of 16 (WHEREUPON,a document titled"KGP
17 Venus&Mars Lounge. 17 Investment Group LLC"was marked Exhibit A-16 for
18 (WHEREUPON,a photo of Venus&Mars Lounge 18 identification.)
19 was marked Exhibit A-7 for identification.) 19 HEARING EXAMINER: And finally,A-17 is
20 HEARING EXAMINER: A-8 is a Renton License 20 some kind of an image. It says, "Saturday May 19th,
21 Renewal Notice, December 28th,2017. 21 Seattle Hookah Lounge."
22 (WHEREUPON,a document titled"Renton 22 (WHEREUPON,an advertisement for Seattle
23 License Renewal Notice"was marked Exhibit A-8 for 23 Hookah Lounge was marked Exhibit A-17 for
24 identification.) 24 identification.)
25 HEARING EXAMINER: A-9,something from a 25 HEARING EXAMINER: All right,Ms. Kazi,
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1 are these all your documents? 1 entire database to Ms.Clark?
2 MS. KAZI: I have some more that I 2 MS. KAZI: Yes.
3 actually emailed to Ms.Leslie(indiscernible) 3 HEARING EXAMINER: Okay,all right.
4 membership application forms that people actually 4 Ms. Clark,do you have those documents?
5 signed and put their name and phone number 5 MS.CLARK: I certainly don't have them
6 (indiscernible). 6 printed.
7 HEARING EXAMINER: Okay. You've done-- 7 HEARING EXAMINER: Oh,yeah.
8 do you know how many pages that was? 8 MS.CLARK: But did receive them,yes.
9 MS. KAZI: I believe there was normally 9 (indiscernible).
10 40,50 or more,so. 10 HEARING EXAMINER: Okay,you got them.
11 HEARING EXAMINER: Oh,okay. Well, I'll 11 MS.CLARK: Don't have a problem with them
12 make A-18 the membership applications emailed to Ms. 12 being admitted. I do have a problem if we're
13 Clark. 13 talking about details about whaYs in them if none
14 (WHEREUPON, membership applications marked 14 of us is looking at them.
15 Exhibit A-18 for identification.) 15 HEARING EXAMINER: Hm.
16 HEARING EXAMINER: Do you remember what 16 MS.CLARK: But we're fine to take the
17 the date was of the email, Ms. Kazi? 17 representation from appellant that there are
18 MS. KAZI: Yes, I do. And I believe it 18 approximately 6,000 members or something like that.
19 was July 20,July 18 or 17,and I also submitted a 19 ThaYs not an issue.
20 form where I databased from my register where all 20 HEARING EXAMINER: Okay.
21 the membership were to be,was collected,dated with 21 MS.CLARK: I'd be looking at,you know if
22 number(indiscernible)since 2015 to 2017 current 22 there's a representation about what line 23 says or
23 and that was probably(indiscernible) 8,000, 23 doesn't say that is a concern because none of us
24 probably 6,000 for in between those two years. 24 would be looking at it.
25 HEARING EXAMINER: So A-18 is your 25 HEARING EXAMINER: All right,hm.
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1 membership forms that you emailed to Ms.Clark,40 1 MS. KAZI: I'm not sure. So what we have
2 to 50 pages. And I didn't quite get what the last 2 in the database,the person first and last name,
3 thing was. What was the date on it? 3 phone number,when they become a member--
4 MS. KAZI: So there's-- 4 HEARING EXAMINER: Okay.
5 HEARING EXAMINER: Pardon? 5 MS. KAZI: And so date of their membership
6 MS. KAZI: --two things thaYs not here. 6 was created. And what else--so first and last
7 First thing is the application form that you 7 name--
8 basically apply for. 8 HEARING EXAMINER: Yeah.
9 HEARING EXAMINER: Those are the 40,50 9 MS. KAZI: --a phone number for the
10 pages you're talking about? 10 customer and the date customer created membership.
11 MS. KAZI: Yes. Yes,more of them. 11 So sometimes you can even find on the database when
12 HEARING EXAMINER: Okay,all right. 12 they paid for the membership.
13 ThaYs A-18. 13 HEARING EXAMINER: Okay,okay.
14 MS. KAZI: And the other one is the 14 MS. KAZI: Because it is a computer
15 database, iYs the electronic database that I used 15 (indiscernible). IYs called Clover System,so what
16 to do instead of having the application form. 16 it does is it generates payments and submission of
17 HEARING EXAMINER: Ah. 17 memberships as well and how the money was collected.
18 MS. KAZI: We used to use it on our 18 HEARING EXAMINER: All right,okay.
19 register system and that was created since the first 19 Well, I'll--yeah, I'll admit those two
20 day start the(indiscernible)business. 20 documents,and obviously if a reference is made to
21 HEARING EXAMINER: Okay. 21 some detail in there and we need some time to go
22 MS. KAZI: And that was from the beginning 22 back and look at it then the opportunity will be
23 of 2015 and it was probably 8,000 or more people in 23 given to the parties to dig it up and pull it out if
24 that(indiscernible). 24 necessary.
25 HEARING EXAMINER: Ah,you sent that 25 All right,so I'll admit them,the
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1 documents A-1 through A-19. 1 THE WITNESS: Yes.
2 (WHEREUPON,the documents marked Exhibits 2 HEARING EXAMINER: Okay,great.
3 A-1 through A-19 for identification were received 3 SHADIKA KAZI,having been first duly sworn,was
4 into evidence.) 4 examined,and testified as follows:
5 HEARING EXAMINER: Anything else before we 5 EXAMINATION
6 jump into the hearing itself? 6 BY MS.CLARK:
7 MS.CLARK: I have one(indiscernible) 7 Q. Thank you, Ms. Kazi. And the Cityjust
8 exhibits and one final preliminary request. 8 has a few questions for you to put some information
9 HEARING EXAMINER: All right. 9 on the record. So,first of all,would you identify
10 MS.CLARK: So the(indiscernible)in the 10 the name of your business and its,your location
11 exhibits is that I wasn't able to identify all the 11 being the subject of this hearing today?
12 duplicates since we're,you know,just looking 12 A. Sure. The name of the business, Kazi's
13 through things quickly,but I note that there are 13 Hookah Lounge and the location is 111 Airport Way,
14 some duplicates. So,and I did notice two 14 Renton,Washington,98057. And it is Kazi's Hookah
15 specifically,that A-4 appears to me to be identical 15 Lounge, used to be,and it became Kazi's Hookah
16 to City of Renton-5. 16 Lounge LLC in 2017. So during 2015 to 2017 in
17 HEARING EXAMINER: Okay. 17 February we used to call Kazi's Hookah Lounge. In
18 MS.CLARK: And A-5 appears to be 18 March 2017 it became Kazi's Hookah Lounge LLC.
19 identical to City of Renton-7. There are a couple 19 Q. What is the name of your partner?
20 others that are duplicates,but I just wanted to 20 A. Victor Cousarez.
21 point that out because it may be that the City 21 Q. And he became a partner in approximately
22 refers to a City exhibit and Ms. Kazi refers to an 22 when?
23 Appellant exhibit and we might in fact be talking 23 A. April.
24 about the same document. 24 Q. Of 2017?
25 HEARING EXAMINER: Okay,all right. Yeah, 25 A. I believe so,yes. I'm not sure exact
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1 thaYs fine. 1 date,but thaYs what I'm thinking. But I did put
2 MS.CLARK: And the final preliminary 2 him in the system(indiscernible).
3 matter that I wanted to address is that the City 3 Q. Okay. So I wanted to confirm for you that
4 would respectfully request a few minutes following 4 you're the author of several exhibits that are at
5 the giving of all testimony and evidence for closing 5 issue in the hearing. Do you have in front of you a
6 argument. 6 set of the City's exhibits?
7 HEARING EXAMINER: Oh,okay. Sure. So 7 A. I do not have it,okay. (Indiscernible).
8 okay,so the City will go first then Appellant 8 MS.CLARK: Let me just pause a moment
9 second. City gets rebuttal and then we'll have 9 while I provide you with a copy.
10 closing arguments where Ms. Kazi will go first,City 10 THE WITNESS: I printed out butjust what
11 will go last. 11 I (indiscernible).
12 All right,and then of course all 12 Q. Okay. Ms. Kazi, I'm handing you a copy of
13 testimony has to be taken under oath. I'll 13 the City's exhibits marked COR-1 through COR-12.
14 administer the oath as per witness basis when they 14 Would you please turn to Exhibit 1, COR-1,and look
15 come up to testify. 15 for a business license application that is attached
16 All right, I'll let the City get started 16 to that document.
17 then. 17 A. Yes.
18 MS.CLARK: Okay. Thank you, Mr. Hearing 18 Q. And I think this may actually be one of
19 Examiner. As our first witness,we would like to 19 our duplicates. Do you recognize this business
20 call Ms.Shadika Kazi. 20 license application as a document that you had
21 HEARING EXAMINER: Okay. 21 filled out?
22 MS. KAZI: Do I stand up? 22 A. Yes.
23 HEARING EXAMINER: Yeah. Raise your right 23 Q. And then if you turn when,or
24 hand. Do you swear or affirm to tell the truth and 24 approximately two pages there's a letter dated,or
25 nothing but the truth in this proceeding? 25 excuse me, it does not have a date,entitled"Dear
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1 Members of Renton City Hall?" 1 Q. Is it a for-profit business?
2 A. Yes. 2 A. What do you mean for-profit?
3 Q. Are you the author of that letter? 3 Q. Are you a not-for-profit organization?
4 A. Yes. 4 A. Not for profit?
5 Q. Great. Okay,if you would now turn to 5 Q. Is the goal of the business to earn money
6 Exhibit 5. ThaYll be the number of the exhibit 6 for a profit?
7 later in your packet. 7 A. Yes.
8 A. Exhibit 5, (indiscernible)? 8 Q. How many members do you have in
9 Q. Yes,COR-5,and that was under the City of 9 approximation?
10 Renton(indiscernible). 10 A. So two members in total for Kazi's Lounge
11 HEARING EXAMINER: I don't think I have a 11 (indiscernible).
12 copy of the primary exhibit packet. I have the 12 Q. And those are the business members?
13 supplemental one but not the primary packet. IYs 13 A. Yes.
14 not in the clerk file. Do you have-- 14 Q. How about members who attend,who frequent
15 THE WITNESS: (Indiscernible). 15 the business?
16 HEARING EXAMINER: Yeah,do you have an 16 A. Well,you mean just(indiscernible)
17 extra packet? 17 customer members?
18 MS.CLARK: I do. 18 Q. Yes.
19 HEARING EXAMINER: Okay,that--yeah, it 19 A. How many we currently have? So I think, I
20 would be helpful to follow. Like I said, I don't 20 believe iYs set around Fivestars showing the
21 need the supplemental ones. That is included in the 21 current total number of the members(indiscernible)
22 clerk file, but not the originals. 22 since 2017 July. So it shows 18, is it 18 members,
23 MS.CLARK: So, Mr. Hearing Examiner,you 23 total members, 1,864,since I think it was
24 already have 9 through 12? 24 (indiscernible)account,we start using the other
25 HEARING EXAMINER: Yes. Yeah, I do have 25 system and replaced and we changed the system to one
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1 that. (Indiscernible)was that email by the City 1 a little bit more effective so we can count the
2 Attorney's Office? I might have it in my emails. 2 members so we don't go over more than what is
3 MS.CLARK: It was, but I have an 3 supposed to be the limit. By the Health Department,
4 additional copy. 4 they wanted us to be under 2,500 members per
5 HEARING EXAMINER: Oh,yeah. That would 5 quarter. In three months we can have no more than
6 be easier,yeah. 6 2,500 and I show to you the record from every July.
7 Great,thanks. 7 So it really doesn't(indiscernible)three
8 MS.CLARK: I apologize. I think I 8 months and it shows 1,865.
9 printed two pages. 9 Q. So when you say there's a limit of 2,500,
10 HEARING EXAMINER: Oh,thaYs fine. 10 how does that work? WhaYs your understanding of
11 BY MS. CLARK: 11 that?
12 Q. Okay, Ms. Kazi,we were at Exhibit 5. Are 12 A. The limit actually that this is something
13 you the author of that document? 13 the Health Department can explain a little bit more.
14 A. Definitely,yes. 14 They want to create this way where, in my
15 Q. Okay. And then one more similar question, 15 understanding,they wanted to have like a very
16 if you look at Exhibit Number 8,and are you the 16 private lounge where there's a limited number of
17 author of that document? 17 people,doesn't go too crazy or not just everybody's
18 A. It looks different but thaYs definitely 18 cannot get access to it.
19 (indiscernible)just the way(indiscernible). 19 This is not like a(indiscernible),you
20 Q. Yeah. Okay,so thank you for that. So if 20 know,where you actually have,do have a referral to
21 I refer to the business as simply Kazi's is that 21 go there, but this is how the standard Health
22 sufficient? 22 Department wanted us to do for the hookah lounge
23 A. Yes. 23 because there was many violence, many problems
24 Q. So is Kazi's still operating? 24 within the city with many hookah lounges where
25 A. Yes. 25 there's a lot of(indiscernible)calls, people
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1 shooting or,you know,dying or things like that 1 there was primarily, I want to clarify,about hookah
2 happen in Seattle a lot. 2 lounges in Seattle;is that right?
3 And because of that he wanted to create 3 A. Yes.
4 something very small gathering place where iYs a 4 Q. So are you or is Kazi's subject to a
5 limited number and people go there and to have a 5 settlement agreement?
6 record of people who goes there and pretty much 6 A. No.
7 being under. This is something they came up very 7 Q. Okay. So for the 2,500 members,explain
8 all of a sudden because of during the mayor, Seattle 8 what steps you're taking to comply with your
9 mayor,there was a discussion of whether or not they 9 understanding of that new rule.
10 wanted to allow hookah lounges in Seattle. 10 A. Yes. So the new rule came and obviously I
11 And the mayor of Seattle listed out all 11 had my(indiscernible). Mr. (indiscernible), he
12 the hookah lounges that was in violation,all of the 12 helped me to understand the new package. And he
13 11 hookah lounges that make most of the calls to for 13 asked me if I have any question,do I understand the
14 calling for 9-1-1 and they listed out all those 11 14 package. We went over it. Then he came back. I
15 hookah lounges. They wanted to go against them and 15 did a membership application for him. He looked it
16 they wanted to shut them down. 16 over and he did not like it.
17 Because during 2015,one of the leader or, 17 So he told me,you know,this doesn't
18 you know,somebody who was very respected in the 18 explain anything about the rules of the lounge,you
19 community died in 2015,and I believe he was Chinese 19 know,the inquirements(sic)and everything. It
20 and the Chinese community they were very affected by 20 needs to be kind of like an application form. So I
21 that. And they complained and they were to go fight 21 said,"Okay, no problem,just give me some time to
22 for him and wanted to show that this hookah lounges 22 create one."
23 are coming to that. There's too much crime, 23 So I came up with--slowly I came up with
24 violence,people are(indiscernible)from the 24 another form which is this right here and you have
25 community. 25 it. So iYs finished and he read over it, he liked
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1 And thaYs when the City or mayor decided 1 it and he took a picture of one with me to show to
2 okay,we will take a chance because these other 2 his boss or I'm not sure who, but(indiscernible)
3 things happening and has been happening,there's too 3 everybody who ever had a question.
4 many violence everywhere,we can(indiscernible) 4 And it shows(indiscernible)takes 24
5 hookah lounges. 5 hours processing which is a long time for somebody
6 And so they went ahead and did it and then 6 who's a smoker and wants to smoke. And then,you
7 it took awhile to come up with the position and then 7 know,we have our general rules. We want to make
8 the City,the mayor overruled it. So we already 8 sure the outside of our property is clean, nobody's
9 know what they came up with and(indiscernible)can 9 trashing. We want to make sure that,you know,our
10 discuss about it later. And there was a settlement 10 neighbors are not affected by all this trash and
11 between the Health Department and with the all the 11 keeping it safe and no gathering.
12 11 hookah lounges and they came up with this package 12 So we listed out everything. We even
13 for those hookah lounges to remain in business they 13 listed out things that you have to have quiet
14 have to sign this agreement. 14 environments(indiscernible)outside, no alcohol,
15 The agreement is that you have to be under 15 marijuana,these kinds of things are allowed
16 2,500. IYs going to be very--application form, 16 outside, inside of this lounge. Nobody can actually
17 you know, records and everything to remain in 17 eat outside of the property anytime unless you want
18 business. So although the,you know, 18 to take a cigarette break or five minutes,less.
19 (indiscernible)that they have to follow this rule, 19 ThaYs the only exceptions. So either you stay in
20 but they had to(indiscernible)something in order 20 or you leave.
21 to follow it because of all these things happening. 21 And then it also explains about,you know,
22 And,you know,the City had given them chances and 22 smoking can cause cancer or serious health problems,
23 the Health Department giving them chances,so they 23 whichever. You know,thaYs something that we even
24 had to do something about it so it doesn't happen. 24 had it on our menu. So when you order a flavor it
25 Q. And so the discussion that you were giving 25 says on down there,you know,this is what it is
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1 smoking can cause. People read it,theyjust laugh 1 known them. They're one of my best friend's
2 about it and okay,you know. 2 brothers. And how they're related to the business
3 But this is something we wanted to let 3 is that they wanted to open up a lounge and they
4 people--that this is one way or another you should 4 came to me and they were very trusted.
5 notice. So these are the things we have it on the 5 And because I have known them for so many
6 spot. 6 years I wanted to give them a chance and wanted to
7 Q. And you indicated that you're the author 7 also not only that I wanted to expand the business
8 of this form? 8 and there's a reason for it. The first reason is I
9 A. Yes. 9 will give you if--so they are in a business with
10 Q. When did you create it? 10 me right now.
11 A. I don't remember exact date or month,but 11 Not on the same license,however,they're
12 I'm sure I created it a long time ago. 12 in the Kent business license. IYs for KBG
13 Q. The date might be somewhat important,can 13 Investment Group,you already have it. IYs for
14 you approximate? It doesn't have to be exact. 14 Kazi's Hookah Lounge in Kent. Same brand,same
15 A. Yeah, I think in probably 2016. ThaYs 15 name. They're in a business with me. And when I
16 what I think,somewhere in November 2016. 16 created them business license was in June, I
17 Q. And do you recall when you showed it to-- 17 believe,or July,July 2017.
18 and you're referring to(indiscernible)of Public 18 Before they been coming,and I know that
19 Health? 19 they come to the lounge,you know,we smoke hookah
20 A. Yes. 20 or talk or,you know,things like that all the time.
21 Q. And do you recall approximately when you 21 But obviously in order to know a business or know
22 went over it with him? 22 what you're doing or even open up for a business,
23 A. When? What, I remember what time he comes 23 you're going to put your money into something like
24 to the lounge, but I just don't remember. It was 24 that,you want to know the basic foundation of the
25 (indiscernible)I saw him, but I don't recall. 25 business by learning how the business works or what
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1 Actually, I might. Give me one second. 1 the clients feel or,you know,getting to know each
2 Okay,in February 23,2017 or it could be 2 other, because you want to create a relationship
3 a different date, I'm not sure, but I remember 3 with them,customers,clients in this business which
4 telling, he telling me,need to(indiscernible)this 4 is thaYs when the customer will respect you and
5 form,so I created something for him later on. I 5 follow the lounge rule.
6 don't have the exact date right now. I don't have 6 Like if you don't have a relationship with
7 exact date. But I'm,you know, but I remember,you 7 the customer they will not respect you or even
8 know,he(indiscernible)and the application form 8 listen to you if you tell them to sit down or leave
9 (indiscernible). 9 from the property,or if you tell them not to do
10 Q. Okay. But it sounds like we're not able 10 something or(indiscernible)or make sure your
11 to approximate a date. 11 (indiscernible). (Indiscernible)they will not
12 A. No. 12 respect you unless you have a good connection with
13 Q. Okay. So turning back to Exhibit 5-- 13 them.
14 A. Okay. 14 ThaYs when they will respect--"Okay,
15 Q. --COR-5. Do you see how on this first 15 Shadika said,you know, I shouldn't bring this or I
16 page in the third paragraph there is a reference-- 16 shouldn't hang out in the parking lot. I respect
17 and I apologize, I will likely mispronounce the 17 her because I have known her for that long. I will
18 name. But the two persons,one person's name is 18 do as she said." ThaYs kind of relationship we try
19 Sakram(phonetic)(inaudible)and the second 19 to maintain with them. ThaYs when we have a very
20 person's name is Crombie(phonetic)(inaudible)? 20 good connection(indiscernible). Same thing,you
21 A. Yes. 21 know,as(indiscernible),they want to do the same
22 Q. Okay. So who are they and how are they 22 thing. They want to feel like they're--they're
23 related to the business? 23 young,you know,they're not old. They're young.
24 A. I have known these people,both of them 24 You know,older people,you know,the people of
25 for a long time, (indiscernible)ten years I have 25 their age they might not respect them.
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1 So in order to gain their respect you have 1 atmosphere like?
2 to talk to one another and you have to find out what 2 A. Definitely. Hookah is very traditional.
3 they like,you know,you have to see whaYs going on 3 It came from generation,from Empire Mughal time
4 with the business how within it operate so that way 4 very long ago,ancient(indiscernible),you know,
5 iYs good,effective business for future. Because 5 those times. IYs very,very heritage for the
6 the way I look at it,everywhere I see there is 6 people in Middle East,for the people in South Asia.
7 crime and violence. One group of people has problem 7 This is something like if you think about
8 with the other group of people,somebody's from the 8 (indiscernible)lounge,you know,they will the same
9 west side,somebody's from the east side,somebody's 9 things. This is heritage or(indiscernible).
10 from the south side,everywhere. 10 They will say,"This is our culture."
11 Now when I decided to open the one in 11 That hookah is our culture. It came from many
12 Kent,the reason is I had problem situation where I 12 generation. You know, back in the days they used to
13 don't want to see my ex. And she comes to the ex 13 do straight tobacco which is very strong and you can
14 and he see her with another man, now thaYs a 14 smell it far,far away,probably,you know,two
15 problem right there. But if both of them wants to 15 miles away. But now,generation,it has been
16 come to the same lounge because they like it,they 16 changing in the Middle East. They're coming out
17 like that(indiscernible)coming here,but not to 17 with flavor very light,sweet, has the sweet taste
18 see their ex with another person(indiscernible),so 18 to it,smell to--you don't smell anything bad.
19 something going to happen at that point. 19 Where you cannot smell cigarette--I
20 So thaYs why what happened with some of 20 cannot smell cigarette or weed. I cannot be around
21 our members really appreciate it that there's a 21 it and I will suffocate. And,you know,there are
22 second lounge. Now if they decide,okay,well,you 22 times I went to,you know,casinos and this person
23 can come to the Renton,we can go to the Kent so we 23 next to me smoking cigarette, I just have to--
24 don't see each other,so which is very nice because 24 okay, I cannot. Cannot leave the table at the same
25 now you don't have to see the person that you don't 25 time,but because I'm doing something
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1 want to see. 1 (indiscernible),something that I have to go through
2 And,for example,what we(indiscernible) 2 a lot during that time.
3 think about you have a bar and there's only one bar 3 Anyways,so definitely this is a very
4 in the whole Renton area that everybody goes to the 4 culture thing and it tastes good. And it has sweet
5 same bar,whaYs going to happen? I mean you would 5 flavor,tasted that orange, peach,strawberry,
6 probably see the person you don't want to see. You 6 mango,things like that. How is it created,it has
7 will see the person you have problem with 7 a water pipe on the bottom so iYs water and it goes
8 (indiscernible). And you see that person and both 8 up. It has a flavor in a bowl,so whichever flavor
9 of you guys decide to come there because thaYs the 9 you like. It has oil on top and it has charcoal.
10 only bar,things will definitely happen that wine 10 And we use coconut charcoal which is very natural
11 bar or alcohol bar or club or something,something 11 and it's good for health, I would say better than
12 will happen,versus you have multiple location in 12 (indiscernible).
13 same city then everybody is kind of went everywhere 13 So,and we use that and it stays good for
14 and you don't associate with them. 14 25 minutes to an hour. That charcoal lasts for a
15 Q. Okay. So, but to clarify,the two 15 long time compared to charcoal probably two minutes
16 gentlemen are associated with the Kent location-- 16 max and it gives you headache,you know, have
17 A. Yes. 17 problem. But coconut charcoal has a little bit more
18 Q. --not the Renton. 18 dense,so iYs very good. I have some sample of it.
19 A. No. 19 So this is(indiscernible). And these are
20 Q. Okay. And you mentioned wine bar or 20 00 we don't use because it gives you problems or--
21 alcohol bar. To be clear,this is a hookah lounge. 21 yeah,so these are the ones. Yes,so thaYs how
22 A. Yes. 22 hookah is.
23 Q. So would you please describe for the 23 Q. Okay,thank you. So almost wrapped up
24 record what is involved with the hookah? What is 24 here,if you would please turn to Exhibit COR-3.
25 smoked and what is that like? What is the 25 A. COR-3.
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1 Q. You can see that this is a letter to the 1 in--this was not the notice of violation on that
2 City from Mr.Scott Neal? 2 date. It was on that date I believe Fel came to
3 A. Yes. 3 tell me that security is to be outside or it was on
4 Q. And then it has an attachment and the 4 (indiscernible),right?
5 attachment begins, "Case History Report"? 5 Q. Yes. So for purposes of clarifying the
6 A. Yes. 6 record,this,do you see about two-thirds of the way
7 Q. If you would,on the first page of that 7 down on that same page it states that the date of
8 attachment,do you see about two-thirds of the way 8 violation is June 25th,2017?
9 down there is an entry for 4/20/17? 9 A. Yes.
10 A. Oh,yes. 10 Q. So we are talking about a different date
11 Q. And it indicates that notice of violation, 11 than the April date just to clarify the record.
12 warning and required by statute official 12 A. So we're talking about(indiscernible),
13 (indiscernible)issued via standard U.S. Mail? 13 we're talking about(indiscernible). Sorry,this is
14 A. Yes. 14 --when is this violation was given,in April or
15 Q. Do you recall any notice of violation on 15 June?
16 or around that date? 16 Q. Well,it appears to me June,but if you'd
17 A. Let me see. I'm sure,you know, 17 like to review it,thaYs fine.
18 (indiscernible)was mad about something. He gets 18 A. Yes, I think I need to review it first.
19 mad pretty quick. So,yes, (indiscernible). 19 It says in June 2017, but it was from April. ThaYs
20 Q. Do you have the violation that was noted 20 where you are? (Indiscernible)I'm not sure
21 in here? 21 exactly.
22 There is a violation attached to the 22 Q. So to clarify my question,you're looking
23 exhibit. 23 at the April 20th,2017 entry so indicates
24 A. Oh. 24 (indiscernible)report,and you weren't certain if
25 Q. If you turn to Exhibit COR-1,if you thumb 25 you recalled it or not so you asked if there was a
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1 through,one of the attachments has the Public 1 notice of violation in the record,so then I pointed
2 Health logo at the top and is titled,"Notice of 2 you to a different notice of violation.
3 Violation." 3 So I understand this, but you tell me if
4 A. Okay, I don't understand(indiscernible) 4 you disagree. I understand the page that we're
5 say something about smoking(indiscernible)and 5 looking at to be a different incident.
6 (indiscernible),so what is that? I mean I have no 6 A. I have no idea. I cannot agree to
7 idea. 7 something until I find this,what exactly happened
8 Q. So for the purposes of the record,it 8 to this.
9 looks like we're about haliway through Exhibit 1 and 9 Q. Actually I think you answered my question.
10 we're looking at a document with Public Health logo 10 My question was simply whether you appealed it.
11 at the top and iYs titled,"Case Number 11 A. Oh.
12 NA020170630-216. Do you see that? 12 Q. I understand your answer to be no.
13 A. Okay. N-0--NA020170630216. 13 A. No.
14 Q. Yes. 14 MS.CLARK: Okay,great. That
15 A. Okay, I see that. IYs on your COR-1. 15 (indiscernible)my questions.
16 Yes, right. 16 HEARING EXAMINER: Okay,any other
17 Q. So did you appeal this notice of 17 witnesses, Ms.Clark?
18 violation? 18 MS.CLARK: Yes.
19 A. No, I did not because I'm not sure if I 19 HEARING EXAMINER: Okay.
20 ever received this. Oh, maybe I have because I saw 20 MS.CLARK: We would now like to call Ms.
21 something like that came to me,actually,and I was 21 Linda Welton.
22 not sure what is unimproved nicotine delivery 22 HEARING EXAMINER: Do you swear or affirm
23 (indiscernible). 23 to tell the truth and nothing but truth in this
24 Q. Yes. 24 proceeding?
25 A. I remember something like that,something 25 THE WITNESS: I do.
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1 HEARING EXAMINER: Okay. 1 license application?
2 LINDA WELTON, having been first duly sworn,was 2 A. So this application actually went in and
3 examined,and testified as follows: 3 if I remember right it was processed and the license
4 EXAMINATION 4 was issued.
5 BY MS. CLARK: 5 Q. Okay. And then what about--fast
6 Q. Thank you, Ms.Welton. Would you please 6 forward,what about any renewal process? Was there
7 state your name for the record and describe what 7 a renewal application and what happened with the
8 your role is with the City of Renton? 8 renewal application?
9 A. I'm Linda Welton and I am the Business 9 A. So we sent out a renewal application in
10 License Coordinator in the Finance Department,and 10 2016 because this was submitted in'15. And then
11 my position is accounting assistant for-- 11 the(indiscernible)business has reported all hours
12 Q. So in that capacity,do you have any 12 worked in the city and their revenue and then the
13 relationship to the City's Business Licensing 13 license was renewed. Unless someone(indiscernible)
14 Department? 14 Code Compliance or another department says hold off
15 A. Yes. 15 on that for a minute,we need to look some things up
16 Q. Would you please describe what that is? 16 and we need to do some research,then I would
17 A. So applications come in, I process the 17 (indiscernible).
18 applications,enter them, receive them. If there 18 Q. And did that happen with this business?
19 (indiscernible)business it gets routed to two 19 A. It did at one point. It was not this
20 departments, Code Compliance and Fire. Code 20 early on(indiscernible).
21 Compliance and Fire either approve or deny a 21 Q. Okay. Did it happen subsequently?
22 license,and then I do the final finishing of it, 22 A. Yes.
23 printing it and mailing it to the(indiscernible). 23 Q. And is that what led to us being here for
24 Q. And so did you have a similar role as to 24 this appeal?
25 this particular business, Kazi's Hookah Lounge? 25 A. Yes.
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1 A. Yes. 1 Q. Okay. We'll get into more details with
2 Q. Okay. So IeYs work through some of the 2 that. For now IeYs move deeper into the
3 exhibits. I'll first refer you to Exhibit COR-1. 3 attachments here. If you would turn a few more
4 So if you turn to page 5 of that letter, is that 4 pages and here's that there is a collection of
5 your signature on this letter? 5 (indiscernible)pages. Have you reviewed these?
6 A. Yes. 6 A. Yes, I have.
7 Q. So IeYs begin by talking about the 7 Q. Okay. So if you would walk us through
8 attachments to this letter. The next page is a,it 8 these pages, point out any references that you see
9 appears to be a business license application and Ms. 9 to employees or staff including security. And let
10 Kazi had testified that she had filled it out. 10 me back up. It appears that this is(indiscernible)
11 Could you explain using this form as guidance how 11 pages relating to Kazi's Hookah Lounge and the
12 the application process works and what an applicant 12 Renton address, is that right?
13 needs to do in order to obtain a business license? 13 A. Correct.
14 A. Well,they submit the application and pay 14 Q. So these appear to be Yelp reviews for the
15 their fees that are associated with it. Again I 15 Kazi's(indiscernible),okay. So as I mentioned,if
16 enter all the data into the system and then it does 16 you would walk us through and point out references
17 get routed to those two different departments. What 17 to employees or staff or security issues.
18 they're looking for l don't know,but Code 18 HEARING EXAMINER: Okay,which exhibit
19 Compliance and Fire. And then if iYs approved, 19 number are we looking at?
20 then I do the final approval and send the license. 20 MS.CLARK: This is Exhibit 1,COR-1,and
21 If iYs denied then we deny it and usually 21 it is the Yelp reviews that are about halfway
22 iYs another department that will mail out the 22 through.
23 denial letter because iYs them that denied it, like 23 HEARING EXAMINER: Okay,great. Thank
24 Code Compliance or Fire. 24 you.
25 Q. And so what happened with this business 25 THE WITNESS: So the first thing I notice
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1 on here is it says that her business is open from 1 pretty much just kind of letting them know that
2 3:00 to 1:00 a.m. And on the application and 2 we're(indiscernible)right now.
3 letters that were submitted the business is supposed 3 Q. Okay. LeYs move then to Exhibit COR-3.
4 to be open, I think it was 5:00. 5:00 to 1:00 is 4 This is a letter dated April 16th,2018 to Renton
5 what was put on one of the applications. And so 5 City Attorney from Mr.Scott Neal. Have you
6 right there the earlier start than what we were told 6 reviewed a copy of this letter?
7 they were going to do. 7 A. Yes, I did.
8 When I see the belly dancer it kind of 8 Q. And do you understand it to be Public
9 questions do they pay for a belly dancer? Is she an 9 Health response to the letter that we were just
10 independent contractor? If she is,then she 10 talking about?
11 (indiscernible). 11 A. Yes.
12 "Great customer service"would kind of 12 Q. LeYs move then to Exhibit 4. And again
13 point to me that there might be employees. On the 13 if you turn to page 5,would you please confirm
14 second page of that first line,the fourth one down, 14 whether that is your signature?
15 "The staff are lovely and show they value business," 15 A. Yes, it is.
16 so that to me would be employees. 16 Q. Okay. So this is a letter dated April
17 Another one does speak about security 17 19th that you sent to Ms. Kazi;is that right?
18 guards,so that would be another thing. The 18 A. ThaYs correct.
19 security guards are paid. Was he an employee of the 19 Q. So it appears in this letter that the City
20 lounge or is he an independent contractor? 20 concluded that Kazi's was a public place and a place
21 And there is references like on the page 3 21 of employment; is that right?
22 of 5, right under the picture,"ample parking, 22 A. Yes.
23 (indiscernible)friendly and helpful staff," 23 Q. And that was based in part on the County's
24 (indiscernible). So that would indicate to me that 24 letter?
25 there is actually employees there,and that pretty 25 A. And also on hours worked that they put on
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1 much(indiscernible). 1 their business license renewal.
2 BY MS. CLARK: 2 Q. Okay. Would you please describe what you
3 Q. Okay. And then following the Yelp reviews 3 mean by that?
4 it appears that there are Facebook reviews and posts 4 A. So on the business license renewal we ask
5 that(indiscernible);do you see those? 5 for hours worked by all employees or everyone,and
6 A. Yes. 6 they did list that on the renewal 4,858 hours
7 Q. And did you review those as well? 7 worked.
8 A. Yes, I did. 8 Q. Okay,so based on information from Public
9 Q. And did you see similar references to 9 Health and the hours worked,this letter then denies
10 employees and staff? 10 the renewal of the business license--
11 A. Yes,"Best atmosphere,service,crew and 11 A. Correct.
12 entertainment." So the service and the crew,so 12 Q. --and ordered the business to close;is
13 that to me would be(indiscernible). 13 that right?
14 Q. Okay. 14 A. Correct.
15 A. And there are quite a few here. 15 Q. So then I'm going to ask you about several
16 Q. Okay,so backing up from the attachments 16 exhibits at once. Ms.Weldon,would you please
17 to the letter itself,would you please describe what 17 confirm whether or not iYs correct that Exhibits 5
18 the purpose of this letter was? 18 through 8 are appeal correspondence between the City
19 A. The first letter? 19 and Ms. Kazi?
20 Q. Yes. 20 A. 7,yes. 8,yeah,direct correspondence
21 A. So just describe it? 21 from Kazi to us. Yes.
22 Q. Yes. 22 Q. Okay. And is it your understanding that
23 A. Okay. This is just to ask the King County 23 after this exchange of appeal correspondence that
24 Health Board of what they've done so far to this 24 the City's position didn't change,that the City
25 point and how many inspections they've had and 25 maintained its denial of the business license
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1 renewal and its order to close the business? 1 Q. Okay. Would you please describe that?
2 A. Yes, it is. 2 A. When they first came in and applied for a
3 MS.CLARK: Okay. Thank you, Ms.Weldon. 3 license in the very beginning I denied the business
4 That concludes my questions. 4 license.
5 HEARING EXAMINER: Okay. 5 Q. And what was the basis for that?
6 Ms. Kazi,do you have any questions of Ms. 6 A. The basis was that it was a hookah lounge,
7 Weldon? 7 indoor smoking. We didn't have any information from
8 MS. KAZI: Yeah. I mean-- 8 the Kazi's Hookah Lounge as to what that entailed,
9 HEARING EXAMINER: Okay,go ahead. 9 how they operated,who was there. I needed more
10 MS. KAZI: --I'm not sure if I'm supposed 10 information and I denied the license.
11 to(indiscernible)the things right now or 11 Q. Okay. And,finally,to Code EnforcemenYs
12 (indiscernible)-- 12 knowledge is the business still operating?
13 HEARING EXAMINER: Well,if you want 13 A. Yes.
14 information from Ms.Weldon you need to ask her the 14 MS.CLARK: Okay,thank you. That
15 questions now. 15 concludes my questions.
16 MS. KAZI: Information,no. 16 HEARING EXAMINER: All right.
17 HEARING EXAMINER: Okay,thaYs fine. 17 Ms. Kazi,do you have any questions for
18 MS. KAZI: (Indiscernible). 18 Ms. Locher?
19 HEARING EXAMINER: Okay,all right. 19 MS. KAZI: Yes.
20 Okay, Ms.Clark? 20 HEARING EXAMINER: Okay.
21 MS.CLARK: The City's next witness is Ms. 21 EXAMINATION
22 Donna Locher. 22 BY MS. KAZI:
23 HEARING EXAMINER: All right, Ms. Locher, 23 Q. Ms. Donna, I want to ask you,you said you
24 do you swear or affirm to tell the truth and nothing 24 actually denied the business license at first.
25 but the truth in this proceeding? 25 A. I did.
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1 THE WITNESS: I do. 1 Q. Do you recall what your day or month that
2 DONNA LOCHER, having been first duly sworn,was 2 you had denied(indiscernible)?
3 examined,and testified as follows: 3 A. It was whenever you first applied for your
4 EXAMINATION 4 business license.
5 BY MS.CLARK: 5 Q. So it was 2015 in April?
6 Q. Thank you, Ms. Locher. Would you please 6 A. Could be,yes.
7 state your name and position with the City for the 7 MS. KAZI: Could be,okay. So,okay,
8 record? 8 thank you.
9 A. Sure. I'm Donna Locher. I'm the lead 9 THE WITNESS: Sure,no problem.
10 Code Compliance Inspector for the City of Renton. 10 HEARING EXAMINER: Thank you, Ms. Locher.
11 Q. And, Ms.Locher, in that capacity do you 11 MS.CLARK: Okay,at this time the City
12 have a role with business licensing in the City? 12 would like to call Mr.Scott Neal.
13 A. I do. 13 HEARING EXAMINER: All right,Mr. Neal,do
14 Q. And would you please describe that? 14 you swear or affirm to tell the truth and nothing
15 A. Yes. I check every business license that 15 but the truth in this proceeding?
16 --new business license that comes into the city. I 16 THE W ITNESS: I do.
17 check for zoning,location. I check occupancy to 17 HEARING EXAMINER: Okay.
18 make sure whether a business is going into that 18 SCOTT NEAL,having been first duly sworn,was
19 building is okay,and either approve it or ask for 19 examined,and testified as follows:
20 additional information or l deny it based on it not 20 EXAMINATION
21 being legal. 21 BY MS.CLARK:
22 Q. Okay. And did you have any role with this 22 Q. Thank you, Mr. Neal. Would you please
23 particular business, Kazi's,as to business 23 state your name and employment position for the
24 licensing? 24 record?
25 A. I did. 25 A. Sure,my name is Scott Neal and I manage
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1 the Tobacco Prevention Program for Public Health 1 about the different places that they're in
2 (indiscernible). 2 violation. It talks about the dates of violation,
3 Q. Thank you. So are you familiar with the 3 civil penalty and notice here,and below that and a
4 business that is the subject of the hearing today, 4 correction order which is(indiscernible)smoking in
5 Kazi's Hookah Lounge in Renton? 5 all public places and places of employment
6 A. I'm as familiar with it(indiscernible), 6 (indiscernible)the business,and then it provides
7 so yes. 7 an appeal process(indiscernible).
8 Q. Okay,thank you,and because in your 8 Q. To your knowledge,was that notice
9 capacity you have had some involvement with the 9 (indiscernible)appealed?
10 business? 10 A. No, it was not.
11 A. Yes. 11 Q. Now I'm going to hand to you Exhibit 3,
12 Q. I'm going to hand you a copy of COR-1, 12 (indiscernible)3. So this appears to be a letter
13 Exhibit 1,and if you would take a moment to look at 13 dated April 16th,2018 to the City Attorney of the
14 it to familiarize yourself with the context 14 City of Renton from you; is that correct?
15 (indiscernible). 15 A. ThaYs correct.
16 A. Okay. 16 Q. Would you please describe the contents of
17 Q. So this appears to be a letter and Ms. 17 this letter and give us an overview of what it
18 Weldon testified to it, but that is addressed to 18 attaches?
19 you. Do you recall receiving it? 19 A. Yes. This was a letter that I put
20 A. Yes, I do. 20 together to respond to the City of Renton's request
21 Q. And so it was a request from the City for 21 about the case history on this location. So the
22 Public Health to look further into indoor smoking 22 letter briefly summarizes the case history,the
23 issues as to Kazi's; is that a fair 23 first part of the actual letter content and the
24 characterization? 24 second piece to this is the case history report. So
25 A. Yes,thaYs correct. 25 there's a summary of each inspection
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1 Q. So one of the attachments is the notice of 1 (indiscernible).
2 violation that Ms. Kazi was testifying about that is 2 Q. Okay,thank you. So now let's take a step
3 about, I don't know,halfway through the packet. It 3 back and provide some context for this exchange of
4 appears to be signed by you and I just wanted to 4 correspondence. Would you please describe for the
5 confirm whether that was correct, if this was the 5 hearing examiner what your role is within Public
6 notice of violation that you had issued. 6 Health, but then also Public Health's role as to
7 A. This is a notice of violation and 7 (indiscernible)smoking issues?
8 correction order,so iYs we title those notice of 8 A. Yeah,so(indiscernible)Public Health
9 orders. Essentially a notice of violation is the 9 DepartmenYs role, RCW 70.160 is the state's
10 first official notice that we supply to someone who 10 secondhand smoke law. (Indiscernible)also adopted
11 is in violation which it looks similar to 11 a local code that basically mirrors that and adds
12 (indiscernible). If we were also copying this 12 clarifying definitions and different things to help
13 document or mailing it we would provide it,but this 13 --not help enforcement,help implement the
14 is the actual one that says, "Now you have had a 14 enforcement of the state law.
15 violation at least twice and you are now fined 15 And so the Health Department has the
16 (indiscernible),"and(indiscernible). 16 authority to enforce smoking ban, if you will,in
17 Q. Okay,thank you. Would you walk us 17 places(indiscernible). So my job as the manager of
18 through it and explain what it means as to Kazi's? 18 the program is to oversee our inspector's case
19 A. Yes. So iYs addressed to Kazi's Hookah 19 reports. And before any notices of violations go
20 Lounge and iYs basically notifying them that they 20 out or(indiscernible)and fees,those get--we sit
21 are in violation of state law RCW 70.160 and also 21 down and we review the history and then I approve
22 (indiscernible)health codes that are similar in 22 that,that notice to go out. So thaYs my role.
23 that they're smoking(indiscernible). And then it 23 Q. Okay. And so when we're looking at the
24 basically says, it identifies 19.03.050, 24 notice and order a moment ago for Kazi's,did that
25 (indiscernible)smoking(indiscernible). It talks 25 background reviewing that case history happen with
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1 Kazi's? 1 A. Yes.
2 A. Yes, it did. 2 Q. All right. So IeYs then turn to Exhibit
3 Q. And so now coming back to this Exhibit 3 3 10,the Frequently Asked Questions exhibit,and if
4 that we've been talking about,with the background 4 you would walk us through what this document
5 about Public Health's role in terms of the--in 5 explains.
6 your smoking ban,what conclusions, if any,was 6 A. This basically is kind of a simple way to
7 Public Health drawing in this letter? 7 understand the secondhand smoke law and how we
8 A. IYs my recollection and based on the 8 (indiscernible)to help clarify what public place
9 letter here that we had visited Kazi's a number of 9 is,where is it prohibited,provide some examples
10 times and in every time we found one reason or 10 (indiscernible)and(indiscernible). It also goes
11 another to deem them in violation. The way the law 11 into place of employment issues and what
12 works is that you have to pass both tests. 12 (indiscernible)employment,what employees are. It
13 (Indiscernible)public place,you cannot be a public 13 talks about when the business may(indiscernible)
14 place and you cannot have employees. It only takes 14 smoking and then the signage that is required,as
15 one side to be in violation and at any one time 15 well as who's enforcing this law, how it applied to
16 something was causing it to be in violation. 16 (indiscernible)and folks who are concerned about
17 Q. And so it was your conclusion that the 17 this(indiscernible). And then it goes over the
18 business was operating in violation of the indoor 18 (indiscernible)violations(indiscernible).
19 smoking ban? 19 Q. And so for the cover letter that is
20 A. That is correct. 20 Exhibit 9,the Public Health intended the Frequently
21 Q. So IeYs move on then Exhibit 9. I'm 21 Asked Questions document be sent to all hookah
22 actually going to hand you four exhibits at once. 22 lounge operators?
23 So here are 9 through 12,and if you would look at 23 A. Yes.
24 Exhibit 9 and it appears again to be a letter signed 24 Q. And so for the frequently asked questions
25 by you. Could you please confirm whether thaYs 25 and the descriptions that you mentioned about
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1 correct and then describe what this letter was meant 1 smoking in public places and places of employment,
2 to do? 2 does Public Health uniformly apply these provisions
3 A. Yes. This is a letter signed by me. This 3 to all hookah lounges?
4 was sent out to all known private smoking facilities 4 A. We uniformly apply these to all businesses
5 that this was a cover letter essentially to a couple 5 that allow smoking.
6 of documents that are identified in here. That 6 Q. Okay,(indiscernible).
7 there was determination by our department that there 7 A. Yeah.
8 will be re-issues of guidelines for businesses that 8 Q. So IeYs then move to Exhibit 11,the
9 wish to become smoking,officially smoking private 9 guidelines. And a similar question as to the
10 facilities,because there's always a claim of 10 previous exhibit,would you walk us through these
11 (indiscernible)understanding what the law 11 guidelines and walk us even into some of the detail
12 (indiscernible)and interpretation of the law,so we 12 about what Public Health has determined in terms of
13 were aiming to provide some clarity of that. 13 guidelines for places of employment and a public
14 Q. Okay. And so you mentioned that the 14 place and how that played out in terms of what
15 letter attaches to documents. The first one is 15 Public Health looks for in its inspections.
16 titled, it begins with FAQ. Is that Exhibit 10 in 16 A. Sure. This is a little more detailed than
17 your packet? Is that the same document? 17 the last one because(indiscernible)is really
18 A. Yes. 18 relative to how the whole law is enforced across the
19 Q. Okay. And then the cover letter also 19 board. This was designed to provide those folks
20 references a document titled,"Information for 20 that wish to be private smoking facilities and
21 Private Smoking Facilities." Would you look and 21 actually allow smoking,this was sort of a deeper
22 confirm whether that is Exhibit 11? 22 dive into the interpretations around the law that
23 A. Yes. That is(indiscernible). 23 we're using to deem whether they're in violation or
24 Q. And is Exhibit 11 also referred to by 24 not.
25 Public Health sometimes in the guidelines? 25 And so we kind of quickly go into places
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1 of employment which is the first test and talk about 1 facilities?
2 with what they must be operated without employees 2 A. Absolutely.
3 and what employees look like,people who work for 3 Q. And so was a(indiscernible)conclusion
4 employer for exchanges for wages or profit, people 4 based in the letter that is the Exhibit 3 that
5 who volunteer their services(indiscernible). 5 Kazi's did not meet the guidelines for place of
6 Those,even like contract services are we would 6 employment and public place?
7 probably(indiscernible)health code(indiscernible) 7 A. Yes,they did not.
8 employees. 8 Q. So in your experience could a hookah
9 So we want to make that very clear that 9 lounge meet the guidelines of Exhibit 11?
10 this means really only the owner can operate 10 A. It has not been my experience that any of
11 (indiscernible),could operate(indiscernible). And 11 the hookah lounges are operating(indiscernible)
12 then it talks about public place and provides a 12 right now. It would be very difficult at best to
13 number of guidelines that iYs a little bit harder 13 operate what(indiscernible)and because of the
14 for us to say you're public or private because 14 state laws(indiscernible).
15 there's not a clear delineation that we must do 15 Q. Okay,and in terms of the rule of
16 this. And so we've created, based on our legal 16 inspecting hookah lounges or other indoor smoking
17 attorneys and case law,background, research 17 locations for compliance, is that something that
18 (indiscernible),go over things that if we would use 18 your colleague, Mr. Pajimula,does for example for
19 in conjunction together that would make it look like 19 this Kazi's Hookah Lounge?
20 a private facility. 20 A. Yes. ThaYs one of his duties,yes.
21 And so there's a number of places, items 21 Q. And so then does he work with you or come
22 which include(indiscernible), not open to just 22 back with you about the details of his findings
23 anybody who walks in,restrictions on exterior 23 about inspections?
24 signage so that it doesn't look like a grocery 24 A. Yes, he does.
25 store. We also, iYs also important to us that 25 Q. And so for this Kazi's business,was it a
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1 there's no secondhand smoke(indiscernible)clearly, 1 collaboration of information from him that fed in
2 public places,and then only approved members should 2 part into your letter that we've been talking about
3 be permitted and not just anybody from the public. 3 where you concluded that was a place of employment
4 Frequent key criteria for a private facility in our 4 and a public place?
5 estimation are there must be selective criteria,so 5 A. Yes.
6 it can't just be anybody. There has to be a reason 6 Q. So at this point from the testimony that
7 why some are members and some aren't members. 7 you've heard from Ms. Kazi today and then the
8 Restricted to members only and then legal smoking 8 documents that we have,does Public Health have any
9 age,for instance,and then limited to 2,500 active 9 change in perspective on whether the business is
10 members at any one time. 10 operating in compliance with the indoor smoking ban?
11 Then there's it talks more about sort of 11 A. We would have to obviously inspect it
12 whaYs the process of becoming a member. And one of 12 again to know how we're operating today,but no,
13 the things that a business would need to show us to 13 there's no change that I would see from testimony
14 sort of prove that there are actually official 14 today that would indicate that iYs been changed
15 members that are in this(indiscernible)and that 15 (indiscernible).
16 included application processes, recommendations for 16 MS.CLARK: Okay,thank you,
17 your current members,you know,signed membership 17 (indiscernible).
18 forms, membership lists to show us how many members, 18 HEARING EXAMINER: Okay, Ms.Kazi,any
19 those type of things that would help corroborate, 19 questions of Mr.Neal?
20 you know,those key issues about. And then to have 20 MS. KAZI: Yes, I (indiscernible).
21 those records available for inspections so that we 21 EXAMINATION
22 can prove(indiscernible). 22 BY MS. KAZI:
23 Q. Okay. And so again a similar question as 23 Q. I wanted to know what is the law of
24 to the FAQs document,does Public Health uniformly 24 Washington State regarding a smoking facility that
25 apply these guidelines to all indoor smoking 25 allows smoking not just from the Public Department
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1 (sic),from the Washington State law. 1 make sure all these laws(indiscernible).
2 A. The Washington State law,iYs one of the 2 They want,you know, making sure the minors are not
3 strictest laws in the nation and it prohibits 3 getting access to the,you know,cigarettes or any
4 smoking in any public place. A public place is 4 kind of smoking. If you're underage,you know,the
5 clearly defined as any business or building thaYs 5 state law under 18 you cannot have a cigarette,you
6 open to the public(indiscernible). Not just 6 know, purchase or nobody can sell it to you. Those
7 (indiscernible)that also--and a place of 7 are the laws as much as I know of the health
8 employment is also that second test. 8 official wants to make sure that this is
9 So you can't have smoking in place,a 9 (indiscernible),right?
10 public place,business or building thaYs open to 10 A. Correct.
11 the public and any place that doesn't have,or has 11 Q. Okay. So by that,so this statement right
12 employees. So if there's any employees working you 12 here it says,"Private enclosed workplace within a
13 cannot have that. That(indiscernible)to some 13 public place,even though(indiscernible)."
14 degree. So-- 14 (Indiscernible). The other thing that I wanted to
15 Q. Okay. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'd 15 ask you is(indiscernible)one second. So would you
16 like to know it says in the Washington State law 16 please define to me how is Kazi's open to public?
17 obviously everything about the employee and open to 17 A. I would have to go through each of the
18 public. IYs explained 25 feet away,ventilation 18 inspections to recall exactly what each
19 (indiscernible). We know all that. Besides that it 19 determination was. But there were a number of times
20 says exception,this chapter is not intended to 20 that we didn't either get a membership list wasn't
21 regulate smoking in a private,enclosed or place, 21 provided so there was no way for us to know if there
22 within a public place even though such workplace may 22 was members or customers and how that
23 be visited by a nonsmoker. 23 (indiscernible)became members. I mean there's a
24 A. Yeah,thaYs an awkward--I would say 24 number of different things that I would,you know,
25 that I don't know how to quite interpret that. I'm 25 (indiscernible)a recollection of how each
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1 not an attorney and we haven't had a situation like 1 inspections work out.
2 that one. I think that meant--and I want to 2 Q. Okay. And what about the(indiscernible)
3 remind everyone that this was an initiative so it 3 if you have it--wait, I have it here.
4 was not written by the legislature and so there are 4 A. Yeah.
5 some issues with that. ThaYs not something thaYs 5 Q. (Indiscernible)right now,this is
6 to my knowledge ever been tested(indiscernible) 6 something that I have never seen before. This is
7 what that really means. That does not appear to be 7 something thaYs recently came(indiscernible).
8 what--thaYs not how--we would not interpret 8 A. To clarify, Exhibit 12 is what our
9 this situation to follow in that. 9 inspector uses to create notes and so he follows
10 Q. So what is--as far as I know Health 10 sort of--iYs an inspection checklist, if you
11 Department rules on making sure that all the 11 will, note area, note taking area. So iYs based
12 restaurants, bars--so if you were to go in a bar 12 off the interpretation,the guidelines that we
13 and you see some business owner letting their 13 provided. This is information from businesses so
14 customers smoke or light up a cigarette,that would 14 that information given you is that also checks when
15 be initially a problem for the State because the 15 we're out there.
16 State wants to see clean air in places like public, 16 Q. So this is not something I'm supposed to,
17 like schools,bars, restaurant. You know,they want 17 this is something that you have your inspector have
18 the customers,all the customers not to breathe the 18 carry with him while they inspect the place?
19 second smoke hand(sic);am I right? 19 A. Correct.
20 A. ThaYs, I believe,the(indiscernible)-- 20 Q. Yeah,this is why I was wondering I never
21 Q. Yes. So that is why the law came 21 see(indiscernible).
22 (indiscernible)because(indiscernible)cigarette 22 And one more question,did the laws of
23 over here,you know,and then everybody will get 23 Washington,they stated that smoking lounge needs to
24 (indiscernible)in smoke. So thaYs something are 24 (indiscernible),facility,sorry.
25 important as far as the Public Health Department to 25 A. There's one sentence in the definition of
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1 public place that if I recall it correctly, 1 was your private office,theoretically under that
2 (indiscernible)is that I think you quoted it in 2 other section that may or may not be able to allow
3 that this is--or maybe that this is not intended 3 smoking.
4 to prohibit smoking in a private facility when that 4 But that would then deem the rest of your
5 private facility is not open to the public 5 place a public place which means the rest of the
6 (indiscernible). 6 location could not allow smoking. That's not
7 Q. Oh,thaYs another one. Gee, I didn't 7 exactly whaYs going on here. I think whaYs going
8 (indiscernible), but that is another one. So thaYs 8 on here is more clearly around the definition of
9 saying iYs a different one and I think iYs right 9 what a place of employment is and also public place
10 here. This is chapter is not intended for regular 10 including that sentence that talks about private,
11 smoking in a private--okay, I have that one. 11 you know,private facilities. ThaYs where this
12 Sorry. This chapter is not intended to restrict 12 case is really revolved around(indiscernible).
13 (indiscernible)smoking in a private facility 13 MS. KAZI: Okay. I think that should be
14 (indiscernible)location open to public except 14 all the information(indiscernible).
15 (indiscernible)location when facility's open to the 15 HEARING EXAMINER: Okay,any redirect, Ms.
16 public. That quoting I even don't understand, 16 Clark?
17 because except when it doesn't make sense. 17 MS.CLARK: None.
18 The facility--thaYs why I 18 HEARING EXAMINER: Okay,thank you, Mr.
19 (indiscernible), I read the other one which made 19 Neal. I appreciate you coming down again.
20 sense. So I believe what it meant when it says this 20 MS.CLARK: The City's final witness is
21 chapter is not intended to regulate smoking in 21 Mr. Fel Pajimula.
22 private,enclosed workplace. So workplace basically 22 HEARING EXAMINER: Okay.
23 where you have employees, right? So in places like, 23 All right,do you swear or affirm to tell
24 IeYs say,a restaurant or an office,so you have 24 the truth and nothing but the truth in this
25 employees there. 25 proceeding?
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1 So if there is a room over there and it is 1 THE W ITNESS: I do.
2 closed,so iYs okay to go there to smoke which is 2 HEARING EXAMINER: Okay.
3 still in a public places because office is a public 3 FELS PAJIMULA, having veen first duly sworn,was
4 places. If you have(indiscernible)open to general 4 examined,and testified as follows:
5 public to come and work there and there is a private 5 EXAMINATION
6 place which is a room that it is okay. And it says 6 BY MS.CLARK:
7 that room could be visited by a nonsmoker as well 7 Q. Thank you, Mr. Pajimula. Would you please
8 which is not a big deal. 8 state your name and title with Public Health for the
9 Like somebody like me, IeYs say I am 9 record?
10 smoking in this room and it says smoking 10 A. Yes. My name is Fel Pajimula. I'm
11 (indiscernible). Close the door. You can unlock 11 officially with the County. My position is Health
12 it,you know, maybe somebody over here wants to come 12 Program Assistant. I wear multiple different hats
13 say hi to me and just come say hi and they don't 13 in regards to this hearing today. I am inspector of
14 like the smell(indiscernible),or if they want to 14 the(indiscernible)smoking(indiscernible)places
15 be in it,then they can be inside and iYs 15 of employment.
16 individual rights(indiscernible)choice 16 Q. And in that role did you perform
17 (indiscernible). 17 inspections at the Kazi business in Renton?
18 A. I think there's some confusion of whaYs 18 A. I did,yes.
19 in the definitions and then the piece that you keep 19 Q. Okay. So I'm going to hand you a
20 referring to, private workplace with a nonsmoking 20 collection of exhibits. And if you would, IeYs
21 area or whatever iYs titled is an actual separate 21 start with the one on top,Exhibit COR-3.
22 section(indiscernible)law. I think the way we 22 A. Yes.
23 look at that,that is not what is operating because 23 Q. So that document,again we talked about it
24 then you would say--it would for instance, if 24 a couple times with other witnesses. IYs a letter
25 there was a backroom in your establishment, if it 25 but there's an attachment entitled,"Inspection Case
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1 History." Do you see that? 1 Q. Okay. And so to your recollection,what
2 A. Case history report? 2 occurred,what were your findings? What did you see
3 Q. Yes. 3 upon that inspection?
4 A. Yes. 4 A. Well,something that was mentioned
5 Q. Okay. And so,first of all,would you 5 earlier, I do have a kind of an outline document
6 please thumb through this and let us know if this is 6 that guides me through what to observe and what to
7 a summation of your inspections of the Kazi business 7 request when I'm conducting an inspection. And this
8 at Renton? 8 was quite a long time ago so and thaYs part of the
9 A. Yeah, it appears to be. I remember 9 reason why we take reports and put them into our
10 submitting a number of dates and brief detail 10 databases. ThaYs so we can recall what happens
11 overviews of the inspection that I conducted, 11 long ago.
12 submitted them to Scott Neal and he wrote this. 12 And then look,you know,this one it looks
13 Q. Okay,great. So by way of, I guess, 13 like I observed some signage outside which is
14 refreshing your memory as to what he found on 14 something thaYs identified in the smoking
15 various inspection dates, let me walk you multiple 15 (indiscernible),smoking facility document. And I
16 the dates on this sheet. LeYs begin with January 16 had unrestricted access to the entrance of the
17 4th,2017. And it says that you conducted an 17 business,whereas I didn't,you know, it was
18 educational visit on that day. WhaYs an 18 unlocked. I was able to enter and get access to
19 educational visit? 19 (indiscernible).
20 A. So in regards to(indiscernible),as Scott 20 Q. And does that particular finding have any
21 mentioned there was a private facility guideline 21 particular meaning as to public place?
22 document that was put together and so we went 22 A. Yeah. In the guideline document it does
23 through the process of trying to educate all 23 state that a business should be restricted entry and
24 facilities that were allowing smoking to understand 24 should not be accessible by anybody from
25 or to receive our understanding of the way the law 25 (indiscernible).
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1 works and how we would be responding and applying 1 Q. What else did you find on that inspection?
2 that law to a business. 2 A. (Indiscernible)Ms. Kazi was not able to
3 Q. Okay. So on January 4th,2017 thaYs what 3 provide accurate membership details to demonstrate
4 you were doing(indiscernible)? 4 application and approval process of the membership.
5 A. Yeah,so that visit(indiscernible)to 5 That goes back to the guideline document which
6 make sure they got the facility,the private smoking 6 outlined our request to see applications and written
7 facility guideline document in hand and it wasn't an 7 records of their members.
8 actual inspection. 8 Q. And it looks like you observed a male
9 Q. Okay. And so in that packet of exhibits 9 security person working inside. Is that a correct
10 that I gave you, if you would find Exhibit marked 10 reading of this inspection report?
11 COR-11. 11 A. In a number of inspections there was an
12 A. Okay. 12 individual. I don't see where I might have noted
13 Q. And would you confirm whether or not that 13 that in my observation. Oh,there it is. Yeah,
14 is the document that you were referring to as having 14 (indiscernible).
15 given Ms. Kazi on the January 4th,2017 date? 15 Q. Okay. And you mentioned that that was
16 A. Correct. I carry multiple copies of this 16 something that you witnessed a number of times on
17 with me during my inspections and hand it over 17 your visits to Kazi's--
18 whenever somebody claims they didn't see it. 18 A. Yeah.
19 (Indiscernible). 19 Q. --security working inside?
20 Q. Okay,great. Now IeYs move down to the 20 A. Yes.
21 next entry, February 23rd,2017. So this entry 21 Q. Okay. So then there is an entry, I guess
22 appears that in contrast to the previous which was 22 iYs the next entry,April 20th,2017,a notice of
23 an educational visit,this appears to have been an 23 violation issue. And what was the reason for
24 inspection;is that correct? 24 issuing the notice of violation?
25 A. To my recollection,yes. 25 A. I would imagine this notice of violation
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1 was issued based on the inspection that occurred in 1 did arrive at the recipient,intended person.
2 February. And looking at the report notes it could, 2 Q. So then moving down to now we're in
3 it would have been,one,open to the public because 3 October,October 30th of 2017,it looks like this is
4 I was able to access it unrestricted;and two, place 4 another inspection entry. Would you please
5 of employment because there was a security guard 5 summarize what you found on that day?
6 working inside(indiscernible). 6 A. Sure,conducted another late-night
7 Q. Okay. So IeYs then move to the 6/25/2017 7 inspection. When I was inside the business I did
8 entry and it appears that this is also another 8 identify who I later learned to be Ms. Kazi's sister
9 inspection entry. So would you again please 9 perForming her function. She was taking orders from
10 summarize what he found on that inspection date? 10 the individuals who were requesting pipes. So when
11 A. Sure. 6/25,again(indiscernible)Kazi's, 11 somebody's needing a pipe that Ms. Kazi described
12 I was able to approach and enter the front door and 12 what that is,but those individuals aren't typically
13 was greeted by a male security guard who again was 13 putting them together themselves.
14 on the inside of the establishment. And then I was 14 So iYs kind of,you know,fast food-ish
15 able to identify Ms. Kazi in the general smoking 15 where somebody orders,somebody puts together your
16 area and just observed the interactions of Ms. Kazi 16 (indiscernible). So according to my notes, Ms.
17 and a couple other individuals. 17 Kazi's sister was taking,at least taking orders
18 Having what this brief report is capturing 18 well inside the business,and then it was that
19 is that it appeared that those individuals were 19 Victor Cousarez was performing work as well. He was
20 (indiscernible), but either way(indiscernible). 20 packing the hookahs and delivering them to the
21 And then IeYs see,it looks like when I brought up 21 individuals throughout the establishment.
22 the fact that the security guard was inside, Ms. 22 Various levels of CO readings as I moved
23 Kazi asked him to step outside. I observed a large 23 about the facility,and then again Ms. Kazi was not
24 number of individuals inside. 24 able to produce accurate records of(indiscernible)
25 At the time I was also carrying a CO 25 establishment as a private facility,which is when I
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1 monitor which monitors high exposure to carbon 1 request membership documentation. The guideline
2 monoxide and thaYs based on(indiscernible). IYs 2 document says up-to-date and accurate and thaYs all
3 just something that we're collecting to just kind of 3 I'm looking for is up-to-date and accurate.
4 have information for as far as my health and safety 4 I think the easiest,the first question is
5 is for when I'm conducting these inspections. 5 how many members do you have(indiscernible). If
6 And I was made aware of partners in the 6 you can't give me a firm answer,thaYs not an
7 business that Ms.Kazi(indiscernible). 7 accurate answer,so. And then it says that I
8 Q. So then the next entry,6/30/2017,states 8 determined(indiscernible)at the time and advised
9 that a notice of violation(indiscernible)were 9 them during this visit that they were in violation.
10 issued. Do you know what the basis for that was? 10 Q. So it appears that there's one final entry
11 A. I would deem 6/30 notice of violation was 11 in this list and that is April 5th,2018,which is
12 created for the inspection that occurred on 6/25. 12 just I believe 11 days before Mr. Neal issued his
13 Again because of the employee that was inside the 13 letter. This also indicates another inspection
14 area. And looking through that last paragraph on 14 record. Would you please again summarize what you
15 the inspection notes is inaccurate,not an up-to- 15 found on this date?
16 date full membership list(indiscernible). 16 A. Sure. I entered the business via the
17 Q. And then is it a correct reading of the 17 front door,which is again not locked,and had
18 next entry,7/12/2017,that on that date Public 18 unrestricted entry to the business. So this is
19 Health received a confirmation that a notice and 19 something thaYs prohibited,something that I
20 order had been delivered? 20 brought up multiple times during the inspections,
21 A. Correct. So that notice and order does 21 and if the public has access to the business that
22 get sent certified mail and we send it with a return 22 would essentially lead to a violation of the
23 postcard,so when somebody does receive it a person 23 guidelines which is our interpretation of the RCW.
24 has to sign and that postcard comes back to us to 24 Once inside the business I made contact
25 confirm that that notice and order did receive-- 25 with the security person again who was identified as
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1 (indiscernible),so the security guard was again 1 and limited to your memberships. And so on
2 working inside,making it a place of employment. 2 inspection I'm looking for proof of adhering to
3 This individual was checking IDs and I believe I did 3 these guidelines and looking for the written process
4 observe him checking IDs that evening. 4 and seeing that as an example and the actual files
5 I spoke with Victor who at one point I did 5 that are(indiscernible).
6 verify he was on the business license and he 6 Q. Now let me stop you for just a moment and
7 contacted Ms. Kazi on the phone to come speak with 7 ask you about an exhibit identified by the appellant
8 me. And while I was waiting for Ms. Kazi, I just 8 which I'm going to hand to you. This has been
9 double checked and verified that the products that 9 marked Exhibit A-14.
10 they were using as far as putting into their pipes, 10 A. Sure.
11 which was off of our(indiscernible)tobacco. 11 Q. So Ms. Kazi in her testimony described
12 Again I used the CO monitor so got 12 this exhibit as being an application form that she
13 readings of that and I exited the business to 13 prepared and that she went over with you. So I
14 mitigate my secondhand smoke exposure while I waited 14 wanted us to have you explain whether you recall
15 for Ms. Kazi. When she arrived I requested and 15 seeing this document before and whether it is
16 asked about new memberships and looked for 16 sufficient,the document itself in your mind under
17 documentation of,you know,accurate records and 17 the guidelines.
18 again it wasn't provided to me. 18 And then third question--
19 And she did state that they were open 19 (indiscernible),but third question is that in your
20 every day of the week and they always operated with 20 inspections did you see evidence that this
21 (indiscernible)access. I know we had a lot of 21 application form was being complied with?
22 discussion about converting from an electronic 22 A. I do have a slight recollection of this
23 record to(indiscernible). And so there wasn't 23 form, but(indiscernible)there's a good chance that
24 again an accurate listing or recordkeeping of the 24 I have it in my files(indiscernible). But I did
25 current members as far as application,approval, 25 not see current lists of like this of every single
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1 dues date,anything and things like that. I think 1 member during my inspections. And again it kind of
2 in this specific inspection nothing was 2 goes back to her going from her Fivestar system to
3 (indiscernible). 3 whatever database she was migrating to as well as
4 Q. So now if you would turn back to Exhibit 4 the hard copy.
5 11,the guidelines document,and based on your 5 I know one time we sat down and went over
6 description of the various inspection dates,would 6 a few and thaYs probably what this document was.
7 you walk us through the guideline documents and 7 I've looked, unfortunately had to look at multiple
8 describe what elements of the guidelines were being 8 different applications for many different
9 met or not being met based on your inspection 9 businesses,so if this is exactly what she was using
10 reports? 10 then probably guess it was. It looks like it does
11 A. Sure. So when I do an inspection I bring 11 check off a number of boxes as far as determining
12 all the information I can get off this and as a team 12 membership and application process approvals.
13 we determine how to move forward on those 13 So yeah, I mean(indiscernible).
14 observations. As I went over with those multiple 14 Q. So again my final question was almost
15 inspections, place of employment that was something 15 setting aside whaYs on the application form,in
16 that the one big test that wasn't passed multiple 16 your inspections and your inspection records,did
17 times as far as the security guard being on the 17 you see evidence that was contrary to what the
18 inside as well as Ms. Kazi's sister performing work. 18 application form--
19 So thaYs a violation in that sense as far as a 19 A. Oh,yeah. Well,evidence as far as this
20 place of employment. 20 not being correct. So(indiscernible)request to
21 The multiple tiers of public place is 21 see accurate membership lists,this information
22 something that we go over. Scott mentioned 22 would be(indiscernible)and I believe that was
23 (indiscernible). So the guideline document requests 23 (indiscernible).
24 documentation of those applications and how an 24 Q. So then there was additional testimony
25 identification of how you're selective,restricted, 25 from Ms. Kazi,so back to the guidelines. We were
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1 going over the membership criteria from selective, 1 A. Notice of order is the(indiscernible).
2 restricted and limited,and Ms. Kazi testified that 2 The notice of violation,the first one that the
3 from the business's perspective there's an effort to 3 business receives is essentially their warning as
4 meet the criteria for the 2,500 members cap. How 4 Scott mentioned and it says fix these things.
5 did these criteria work? Is it enough to meet one 5 Q. Right,okay. Okay,got it.
6 of them or must a business meet all of them? 6 A. The second violation would then lead to
7 A. All of them,definitely. And again thaYs 7 the notice of order. Any subsequent inspections we
8 something that when they have had(indiscernible) 8 would typically just order--issue a notice of
9 that bring back,debrief on the inspection as a team 9 violation while we're deciding how to
10 and go through a few of the points to whether or not 10 (indiscernible).
11 there's a violation(indiscernible). So yes, it 11 Q. So how many notice of orders were sent
12 would definitely be all of them. 12 out?
13 Q. And so tell me if you need a moment to 13 A. Just one notice of order.
14 again review the inspection history that you just 14 Q. Okay. And that one was not appealed;is
15 went over before you answer this question. But the 15 that correct?
16 question is in your inspection history for Kazi's in 16 A. Right.
17 Renton that spans from February of 2017 to April of 17 HEARING EXAMINER: Okay,all right.
18 2018, is it a fair characterization to say that upon 18 Great,thank you.
19 each inspection Public Health concluded that the 19 All right,Ms. Kazi,any questions?
20 business was either violating the public place 20 MS. KAZI: Yes,please.
21 element or the place of employment element or both 21 HEARING EXAMINER: Yeah,go ahead.
22 as to indoor smoking ban? 22 EXAMINATION
23 A. I would say yes without looking over it. 23 BY MS. KAZI:
24 It looks like the inspections were 2/23/17,6/25/17 24 Q. (Indiscernible)I don't want to,you know,
25 and(indiscernible)'17 as well as(indiscernible). 25 we obviously had a really good relation
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1 So thaYs four different inspections and it looks 1 A. Sure.
2 like in my notes all four of those there were 2 Q. --and we know each other for many years.
3 identifying factors that would put them in violation 3 Don't get any hard feelings.
4 of the RCW. 4 A. Not me.
5 MS.CLARK: That was my final question. 5 Q. IYs something I have to do. I wanted to
6 Thank you. 6 first find out(indiscernible)some of the portion
7 HEARING EXAMINER: All right, I have a 7 about right now just asked. The first inspection
8 couple questions and we'll let Ms. Kazi. 8 was done, I believe it was in January and it was
9 EXAMINATION 9 educational?
10 BY HEARING EXAMINER: 10 A. Correct.
11 Q. How many notices of violation were issued 11 Q. And then second one was(indiscernible).
12 to Ms. Kazi then? 12 A. It appears that way.
13 A. To my recollection it would have been at 13 Q. Yes. And you weren't here(indiscernible)
14 minimum it would have been the four times. 14 some of the application form how it was created.
15 Q. Four? 15 And I believe to show you somehow and I told--I
16 A. Yeah,we typically will put together a 16 remember I told you that this is what I created,do
17 notice of violation for every inspection. 17 you like it or not. You were really not sure about
18 Q. Okay. 18 it and you said you don't like it as much as--do
19 A. And those don't get sent certified mail, 19 you recall it that you telling me that you don't
20 but they do typically get mailed to the-- 20 like as much as the(indiscernible)forms
21 Q. Okay. And they're all subject to 21 application?
22 administrative appeal,correct? 22 A. I do recall having those conversations and
23 A. Not the notice of violation,only the 23 looking over some documents. And again because I
24 notice of order. 24 take all my information back to the office, I
25 Q. Oh,okay. 25 typically don't give a determination of what I would
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1 determine as far as a violation or a violation. I 1 You told me about the security or being inside,a
2 may have slipped and mentioned something during a 2 violation. And do you remember anytime that I went
3 meeting like that. 3 in front of you and I told you I told the security
4 But looking back at my notes it just 4 that--the security was right there and I told him
5 stated not providing accurate membership details to 5 in front of you,"The Health Department wants you to
6 demonstrate application of rule process membership. 6 be outside. He doesn't want you to be inside,can
7 So if I remember correct,there was a lack of detail 7 you do that?" And he said,"Yeah,yeah,yeah."
8 and accurate records. So there may have been 50 8 ThaYs what he said.
9 sheets of paper with names and dates on them, maybe 9 I'm not sure you can ever recall that
10 some missing signatures, But then when you look at 10 moment,but I actually told him(indiscernible).
11 this stack of 50 there was potentially hundreds of 11 A. True. You did instruct him and he said,
12 members. 12 "Yeah." But if he was inside conducting work then
13 So where are the records for those 13 he was inside conducting work. ThaYs just my
14 hundreds of inembers is whether-- 14 observations.
15 Q. I'm sorry. I didn't understand the last 15 Q. You can do so much with the right peoples,
16 part. Will you repeat? 16 and people don't really listen because they think
17 A. Well, I didn't see an accurate membership 17 you are very nice and they just kind of,you know,
18 list of hundred percent(indiscernible). 18 do whatever they like.
19 Q. Okay,yes. So that was looking one month 19 A. Sure. But(indiscernible)I would imagine
20 since you gave me the paper, "Hey,follow these 20 that you're paying his work maybe he should be
21 rules,"and inspect me within one month. And have 21 listening to your instructions.
22 you recall that I asked you,"This is not enough 22 Q. Okay. Oh,yes, I have another question.
23 time for me to actually do this. All of a sudden, 23 Okay, I believe you said something about security
24 (indiscernible)more time to work on this 24 work. So I remember in somewhere before,either
25 application." Do you recall that? 25 before(indiscernible), I believe somewhere in 2017
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1 A. Sure. 1 you said you like the fact that I'm adding a
2 Q. And I believe in when you came in 2 security at the door. It kind of secure the door
3 6/23/2017 and I (indiscernible),this is the day I 3 for(indiscernible)just anybody getting in,getting
4 gave him the new application form,so I found it and 4 inside. So because of the security being there he's
5 this is the date actually. I can see that he saw a 5 actually a security(indiscernible).
6 picture and I believe(indiscernible)thaYs when 6 A. If he was outside not allowing me to enter
7 you saw. I do have a portion about that. So you 7 (indiscernible).
8 saw Victor(indiscernible). You saw(indiscernible) 8 Q. Yes. And my question is he was,adding a
9 or something, I'm not sure which one. That was 9 security you thought was a great idea.
10 somebody standing behind the counter,am I right? 10 A. It was step in the right direction at that
11 A. Sure. 11 point,yeah.
12 Q. And then I told him to either go from the 12 Q. And okay, I have another question. I
13 area or--and then he approached you,you know, 13 believe you also told me I asked too many questions
14 (indiscernible)so he came up to you like,you know, 14 about how I can improve the business structure. How
15 greet you or ask you a question. Do you recall 15 can I actually change the way that needs to be the
16 that? 16 business in a way thaYs going to work with all the
17 A. (Inaudible). 17 rules and regulations. And not only me, I believe
18 Q. Okay. Was he there doing something 18 (indiscernible)also asked you that question,same
19 besides standing? 19 thing.
20 A. I can't recall the specific details of it 20 What can we do to make some changes that
21 and I don't think my notes state that he was 21 we can actually have(indiscernible)kind of problem
22 actively. So those two individuals were in there, 22 within(indiscernible)anything like that. So one
23 but I don't think that is pertinent considering the 23 of the solution you gave me was to have customer
24 security guard was working inside. 24 make their own hookahs(indiscernible). The other
25 Q. Yes. And okay,about the security,yes. 25 was to make sure,you know,some kind of like a
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1 monthly payment system where they actually pay in 1 last name in order to show because of private
2 advance of just coming(indiscernible)hookah and 2 privacy. The customer,you know,without their
3 just smoke. And there's many other options that you 3 permission just going ahead and(indiscernible).
4 had,but you want to sit down and we can discuss 4 A. Yeah,but a list like that wouldn't
5 about this in the future. 5 fulfill our needs as far as having been shown proof
6 A. Yeah, in those conversations I believe we 6 of application and approvals,so a list of names is
7 were just kind of one of those things,talking out 7 a list of names.
8 loud and exploring what options you may have. Again 8 Q. Yes. So you do want to have the paperwork
9 I'm not a lawyer and iYs not our role to be 9 in present when you come for inspection and
10 business advisors. So if we were discussing that it 10 application form and total number of current members
11 wasn't in a role where I was advising you,"This is 11 (indiscernible);am I right?
12 what you should be doing,"but they were having 12 A. Yes. And I want to go back to the last
13 brainstorming options. 13 April visit. I wasn't angry. I don't get angry in
14 And just in the conversation you mentioned 14 this work. I've been doing it for over ten years.
15 when you first started questioning me,we have made 15 All of my work is enforcement based,so iYs not my
16 a little bit of a relationship. We have a friendly 16 role to get angry with individuals, because if I
17 back and forth. So in those conversations thinking 17 made it ugly it would unfortunately be ugly all the
18 of,you know,thinking outside the box,exploring 18 time. So I try to make it as friendly as possible.
19 what your options are may have come up in 19 Q. So thank you. (Indiscernible)sometimes,
20 conversation. Yeah. 20 iYs just me. But I do want to ask you one,another
21 Q. Okay. I think one of the portion--have 21 question.
22 you, I remember you saying you did not receive one 22 Oh yes. Do you remember on that day I
23 time of the membership which was in, I believe the 23 told you that--you mentioned right now that I ask
24 last inspection was in April, (indiscernible)when 24 --I told you that I'm trying to change the old
25 (indiscernible)go and inspect it before we came 25 system into the new system and I'm adding Fivestar.
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1 (indiscernible)or if there was any problem and why 1 And you said,"Yeah, iYs not great option,but it
2 (indiscernible). But in that time I believe you 2 might work."
3 came into the lounge and you asked for the 3 So I was(indiscernible), I just wanted to
4 membership paper and you were really extremely mad 4 let you know. Because you keep asking me,"What is
5 at me for not having it and you waited for a long 5 the current number of current membership,"and every
6 time outside and you gave us 25 minutes 6 time I sent it to you,you have to kind of like do
7 (indiscernible). 7 it by yourself(indiscernible)and how many current
8 And when I got there you said,"I just got 8 members,which is frustration. ThaYs why I don't
9 my lunch from out here." And I came to you and you 9 want to giving it to you and I just wanted to show
10 said,"Can you give it to me?" And I was like,you 10 you right there that this is the current number.
11 know,"We're just cleaning the lounge. At this 11 Would you agree with me that thaYs
12 point I don't think I can give it to you but I can 12 something,you know,you're looking for or you
13 email it to you the next day." 13 wanted me to do something,add something different?
14 And you said,"Yes,thaYs fine,just go 14 Because I don't know exactly how--
15 ahead and do that. But you do need to have it in 15 A. Yeah,yeah. Definitely that was something
16 the building." ThaYs what you told me,which I had 16 I was looking for. And then looking specifically at
17 no idea about. But I did apologize for not having 17 the April inspection, I recall you looking directly
18 it at that point. But you, I also give you last 18 in my eye and saying,"Oh, I can't show you that
19 time an email. I believe it was in October 31st, 19 right now." So I mean there was nothing that was
20 2017. 20 given to me to verify any type of inembership during
21 Do you recall that, receiving something 21 that inspection.
22 like the database or-- 22 Q. But I show you Fivestar on that day?
23 A. Yeah,there was a list of individuals. I 23 A. (Indiscernible).
24 think they were just first names. 24 Q. I recall showing you Fivestars. It shows
25 Q. Yeah,because I didn't want the customer 25 319 on my phone.
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1 A. Was it in the April inspection? 1 first I applied for this license in April 2015. And
2 Q. Yes. 2 it shows that I applied it and it shows the timing
3 A. Okay, if thaYs what you're saying then-- 3 (indiscernible).
4 Q. But I recall showing you a list of 4 HEARING EXAMINER: Okay,which exhibit
5 (indiscernible). 5 number are you looking at?
6 UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: That was the time 6 MS. KAZI: Sorry, I don't have the exhibit
7 your friends were over from(indiscernible). 7 number,but I do have the application form that
8 BY MS. KAZI: 8 looks like this.
9 Q. I believe you have some concern about the 9 HEARING EXAMINER: Okay.
10 charcoal that as being CO2 exposure to the,you 10 MS. KAZI: (Indiscernible). And the
11 know,for you as,you know,part-time. How can I 11 license number is BL030904.
12 make this better for you for your next visit? 12 HEARING EXAMINER: Okay,go ahead.
13 A. Yeah,we do have concerns and we are 13 MS. KAZI: Okay. That one I applied it
14 collecting information for that. You know,thaYs 14 and when I received it I opened the business
15 not prohibiting any(indiscernible). 15 (indiscernible)June 6th,2015 with a state license
16 MS. KAZI: And I believe during like--I 16 and city license. And I just wanted to mention on,
17 believe that thaYs all the question I have. Thank 17 in August 10th I received a letter by--and I
18 you. 18 believe you have the exhibit,the letter. I'm not
19 HEARING EXAMINER: Okay,thank you. 19 sure what the exhibit number is, but iYs received
20 We are getting close to break, but Ms. 20 in--okay,so this was in October 8th,2015, I
21 Clark did you have any redirect? 21 (indiscernible).
22 MS.CLARK: I do not. 22 HEARING EXAMINER: Okay.
23 HEARING EXAMINER: Okay. And was that 23 MS. KAZI: So we're talking about this
24 your final witness you said? 24 whole reason is the letter to the City and the City
25 MS.CLARK: Yes. 25 response to my(indiscernible). So I received that
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1 HEARING EXAMINER: Okay,why don't we take 1 from saying that(indiscernible)or somebody saying
2 a ten-minute break at this point then? 2 that they had mistakenly given me this license and
3 (WHEREUPON,a recess was taken.) 3 it was not supposed to be issued to me. And this
4 HEARING EXAMINER: --presentation. 4 was after being in business for--so I received my
5 So okay, Ms.Kazi, now iYs your turn to 5 license in April--May,June,July,August,so
6 present your side of the story. Go ahead. 6 after three or four months later, I believe,and I
7 MS. KAZI: Sure,thank you. 7 received after awhile and it said it was given to me
8 I would like to actually, I have to call 8 by mistake.
9 my witness, right? 9 So I asked why and I went to the City and
10 HEARING EXAMINER: Certainly,yeah. And 10 I asked them why, (indiscernible)mistake when she
11 of course you can be a witness yourself. You can-- 11 would give somebody a license and they will purchase
12 yeah. 12 anything they need to to start their business and
13 MS. KAZI: Thank you. I wanted to 13 they're already struggling with their other
14 actually first talk about my licensing. 14 business. I had a restaurant during that time
15 HEARING EXAMINER: Okay,sure. 15 (indiscernible)and I was very struggling.
16 MS. KAZI: Perfect. So this is, I would 16 So it was very much really bad situation where I'm
17 like to instead of calling anyone, but if I have to 17 trying to make money as much as I can to afford be
18 I'll confirm the accuracy that I can confirm it. 18 in a business when thaYs just so much
19 HEARING EXAMINER: Okay,yeah. And of 19 (indiscernible). And I asked them why is that
20 course you're still under oath and I think you 20 decision was like that and the response was because
21 understand that,right? 21 the City of Seattle mayor decided to shut down all
22 MS. KAZI: Yes,of course. 22 the hookah lounges in Seattle.
23 (Indiscernible). 23 And I said,"Okay,what this is has
24 Okay, I believe the license, I'm pretty 24 nothing to do with my business." I'm not in Seattle
25 sure you have it in front of you and it shows that 25 and my name was not(indiscernible),eleven hookah
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1 lounges and I'm operating without having any 1 that you have people just not walk in, but actually
2 violations with,you know,crime or anything like 2 paying for membership(indiscernible). And once a
3 that and so why just like that. And they said, 3 year you pay for it for a whole year,so a person
4 "Because we are following the City of Seattle idea 4 can purchase a membership(indiscernible)full year.
5 of how,whatever decision they make." So I said, 5 Right now it's every quarter.
6 "Okay,but I really need to,you know, I cannot do 6 So,and you have to have a paper and
7 this. You know, I really need you to let me do 7 present application for which was not like that
8 this." 8 before. So I'm very familiar with the whole process
9 And so I believe somebody(indiscernible) 9 and I did what is the old process. So I told him
10 or someone told me,because usually I have--I 10 that thaYs why I know, I know how to do this
11 speak with Mrs. Linda, (indiscernible), nobody else. 11 business and please let me open the business and let
12 So I believe she told me, "Go ahead and 12 me be in business. I'm already open. Let me be in
13 (indiscernible)with Donna Locher and she's in 13 the business because iYs explained that I have
14 Zoning Department. Speak with her,see what she 14 applied and received this license to operate the
15 says. If she approves it then you are good to go." 15 business in June 1 st which is probably April, not--
16 And I said,Okay, no problem." 16 mistake who wrote it.
17 So I contacted Donna Locher and I 17 But I received this letter from you that
18 personally met with her,somewhere probably in 18 my licensing has been denied. It was inadvertently
19 (indiscernible)--okay,yes, I met with her maybe 19 like mistaken(indiscernible). So I said that I
20 in October or maybe in August. I'm not sure, but 20 spoke with Ms. Donna Locher and explained to her,
21 somewhere in between in 2015 I met with her and 21 you know,this is what I need and I'm going through
22 explained to her. And she said,"Go ahead and write 22 a lot. And you know regardless what is the issue
23 this letter." And this letter, I send it out to 23 with the City with Seattle,you know,at least give
24 Administration(indiscernible), I believe,and it 24 me a chance. So after that it was fine. It was
25 was October 8th,2015,explaining to me that my 25 everything was fine.
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1 operation of the hours and then I told him that what 1 So the time became the next
2 hookah is,you know, (indiscernible)customer just, 2 (indiscernible)16 which is my(indiscernible)renew
3 you know,follow the lunch rule,that we would be 3 my license. And I wanted to go renew my license and
4 selling beverage, membership, hookah and 4 I believe it was in April to review my license or
5 (indiscernible)collecting tobacco piece. You know, 5 March,something around there,because it was not,
6 I will be the one who's actually running the show. 6 it was when you actually apply for a license and you
7 And(indiscernible)I was inspected by the Renton 7 get it and then iYs(indiscernible). It was like
8 Fire Department and,you know, I had been inspected 8 that before. IYs since changed. Anyway so I went
9 by also Health Department previous and I know the 9 there and I went to renew my license.
10 rules of the hookah regulation of the lounge,what 10 And when I tried to renew my license,you
11 we need to do in order to be in business,basic 11 know,there was again another problem. So the
12 rules(indiscernible)memberships are collected. It 12 problem now raises whether or not hookah lounge is
13 was never before(indiscernible)have to keep paper 13 allowed in(indiscernible)city or this or that
14 (indiscernible). 14 because there was another hookah lounge and there
15 So thaYs something they came up with 15 was a lot of problem with the lounge over there.
16 after they made the health official,health official 16 (Indiscernible)I was told because the City can't
17 made their official agreement or settlement with the 17 decide right now whether or not they can have a
18 11 hookah lounges,'15 or'16,somewhere around 18 lounge because the City of Seattle they're still
19 there. I don't have the exact date,but they made 19 fighting on this matter and still going on with no
20 the settlement that they would have to be more 20 decision was made.
21 private and they have to follow the guidelines. 21 And because that no decision was made, I
22 But before it was not like that. Before 22 would like--we cannot just have you just use
23 we had a very simple way that you just collect 23 whatever product you want. It has to be tobacco-
24 membership and you have--when they come they can 24 free. So I said okay,so because the City don't
25 see the names and the membership being collected 25 allow in Seattle to have a hookah lounge,that is
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1 the only option I can be and remain in business, 1 product including advertisement of any
2 have this kind of thing,right. So they said yes, 2 (indiscernible)other stuff.
3 so thaYs why I gave out this paper. 3 So it has to basically what the law is
4 But then the rule of the City mayor 4 saying,IeYs say you have a belly dancer or a
5 decided that you cannot go against what is heritage, 5 picture or something and there's a tobacco product
6 what is where you're coming from. So Shisha is 6 name on there. So I believe that hookah is
7 traditionally made like that to have it. IYs if 7 instruments. When people look at hookah it could be
8 you talk about hookah this is what(indiscernible). 8 anything. It could be,you know,not tobacco
9 You cannot just smoke something else. You cannot-- 9 hookah. It could be tobacco. I'm pretty sure a
10 just like the lawyer on the other side say,you 10 hookah is(indiscernible).
11 cannot tell a coffee shop to sell only tea but not 11 And the page that are on there, iYs our
12 coffee,because their main point of their business 12 business page,iYs not promoting on just anywhere.
13 is coffee. So you cannot ask them to only sell tea. 13 So one person if you were to look for a hookah
14 So those kind of(indiscernible)was going on and 14 lounge,okay,so the first thing you're going to do,
15 this definitely an attack on our culture and race 15 Yelp. Go to Yelp,type hookah lounge in area or
16 and everything else. 16 hookah lounge in(indiscernible). ThaYs the way
17 So the City of Seattle decided okay,we 17 you will see it,otherwise you cannot really see
18 will have(indiscernible). ThaYs why they decided 18 where the hookah lounge is. If you're looking for a
19 to make the settlement and make sure this kind of 19 specific thing then you can find it.
20 things doesn't happen ever again to be in the 20 There's no advertising outside like a
21 business. So thaYs what had happened. And then I 21 logo,smoke,you know,on the building,smoke,or
22 went ahead,so when the next year came I went,2017 22 like we sell marijuana,21 and marijuana sign like
23 I went and I got my new license. 23 that. You don't(indiscernible). My sign, Kazi is
24 Now this time,my license, I changed 24 also my last name. It does not represent any kind
25 everything. It was a different license. I got my 25 of tobacco or brand. Having a hookah in the
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1 tobacco license. I received from the State,from 1 background is not--iYs a culture. Everybody's
2 the tobacco company,everything. So basically I 2 aware of it that in Middle East we smoke hookah and
3 went from sole Kazi's Hookah Lounge to LLC to 3 there's belly dancer. IYs been happening for
4 tobacco license and everything that needed to be 4 generations. This is just the culture.
5 done. And then I also go ahead in April 5 So I would say that thaYs just how it is.
6 (indiscernible). 6 Just like you have the whiskey and a big cigar or
7 And I went and I (indiscernible)and this 7 you can have a(indiscernible),this is something
8 time my new license is actually different. Right 8 that is just a culture. There's no tobacco was
9 now I don't have any more BL038904. There is no 9 advertised in any official media,any official
10 more of that. I received BL041328 in March 2017. 10 social places like Facebook. We don't mention about
11 So this was a new license from the City of Renton, 11 we carry(indiscernible),we carry(indiscernible)
12 so want to explain the whole processing what I went 12 brand. We did not mention the brand of tobacco at
13 through with this frustration. At the same time I 13 all. So iYs not there.
14 was issued one license I was giving up license in 14 And other thing is I wanted to mention
15 2015(indiscernible). So I received my license in 15 that tobacco product means any product that contain
16 2015(indiscernible). Here it is,a copy of it, if 16 tobacco. ThaYs what iYs saying. There was no
17 you don't have it. So issued it June 6th,2016, 17 (indiscernible)anything kind of advertisement.
18 thaYs an expired by 2017(indiscernible). 18 Things are only out for people to know what kind of
19 And so I would like to next talk about 19 business are we,so if you're a hookah lounge and
20 (indiscernible)to Ms. Linda Welton,some of the 20 they're looking for a hookah lounge,a person
21 portion that she has(indiscernible)about 21 looking for strictly a hookah lounge they can find
22 advertisement and reviews and other stuff. So I 22 your hours. Okay,what time do you open,what time
23 read the law for the advertisement for tobacco, 23 you close,so they can make their(indiscernible)so
24 tobacco law in United States(indiscernible). Okay, 24 they can go there.
25 so this says permitting the use or sell of tobacco 25 What kind of atmosphere is that because
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1 some people like crazy,you know,crazy place,some 1 HEARING EXAMINER: Oh, I'm sorry.
2 people like very relaxing place. Everybody has 2 MS. KAZI: No, I just wanted to show how
3 their own way. What kind of music style do you 3 many people were affected. They fought for the
4 like? We play very low music,very low,like you 4 rights of for the hookah lounge(indiscernible).
5 can't even hear it. You can have--you can do your 5 HEARING EXAMINER: Oh, I see,other hookah
6 homework,laptop work,office work, Microsoft work. 6 lounge owners and--okay,got it. Got it.
7 You can make advertisement,whatever you need to do 7 MS. KAZI: In City Hall,yes.
8 in that place. You have people from Shark Tank come 8 HEARING EXAMINER: Okay.
9 there,the Microsoft people,a lot of business owner 9 MS. KAZI: And I wanted to also talk about
10 comes there. 10 a lot of other stuff. Okay,so that was that. We
11 We have pilots(indiscernible)comes there 11 covered that,the(indiscernible)areas and stuff.
12 after getting off from their flight. So we have a 12 I think there was some portion about
13 bunch of different kind of people that comes there. 13 whether or not police were there and comments that
14 We have almost(indiscernible)mayor of Bellevue. 14 we're staffed and friendly staff like that. So I
15 He was also nominated. He comes there. He's always 15 have--I don't have employees like that but I have
16 frustrated the fact that he has to drive so much 16 friends who are always there so they make their own
17 from Redmond to Renton. And all these people are 17 hookah. They're walking around and they go inside,
18 coming,they're complaining,"Hey,Shadika,why 18 outside,they're playing games. They're
19 don't you open in Redmond when you're ready." 19 (indiscernible). They don't tell me
20 I mean we're really always struggling with 20 (indiscernible). They're doing themselves because
21 one lounge and they want us to be more closer to 21 this is(indiscernible),you know,they make their
22 them. And this is something they're always,you 22 own hookah.
23 know,they have to wait in(indiscernible)traffic 23 Just like customer,you know,we discussed
24 but they come and they complain. But iYs okay. 24 about customer can go ahead and make their own
25 They've been coming for a half a year,this is-- 25 hookah so then thaYs fine. Whoever doesn't want to
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1 they don't want to go anywhere else. This is what 1 make their hookah and,you know, I make it. So what
2 they like. 2 I'm saying everybody can,you know,be inside and
3 And we don't do sampling. I think the law 3 outside. You know,every time a lot of people are
4 mentioned about sampling. It doesn't have any smoke 4 inside in the back,the other time a lot of people
5 sign around it. There's, if the billboard says 5 are in the living area.
6 hookah(indiscernible)it does not say about the 6 I'm sorry. I have--so things like that
7 brand, I believe,because brand would be a tobacco 7 happens. So a lot of our customer might think,you
8 brand, (indiscernible)or something familiar with 8 know,they work there but iYs not true. IYs not
9 that. 9 they're working there, but,you know, like
10 These are the people get impacted from not 10 (indiscernible)people like to say stuff,you know,
11 having hookah lounges. Many people fought for it. 11 friend stuff. It could just be one person,but they
12 Especially I've been a hookah smoker for the last 12 want to refer it as(indiscernible). ThaYs how it
13 ten years. (Indiscernible). This is something hard 13 is. You cannot just go on what people say with
14 for me(indiscernible). 14 their word,you know,iYs just everybody can,
15 HEARING EXAMINER: Okay. And since we 15 anyone can say anything.
16 just have a tape recording,this isn't video tape, 16 ThaYs what I'm saying. (Indiscernible)
17 just want to point out you were showing a photograph 17 everybody's nice or not nice,like security
18 of a crowd of people. ThaYs not in your exhibits, 18 (indiscernible),we make sure security knows who
19 right. I didn't see that in the exhibits. 19 should be coming in the lounge and who shouldn't be.
20 MS. KAZI: This was in 2015. 20 And our opinion is very(indiscernible). IYs very
21 HEARING EXAMINER: Yeah,a picture of-- 21 important that security knows whaYs going on
22 thaYs of your patrons, people who go to--your 22 because if the security doesn't know whaYs going
23 members that go to your hookah lounge; is that 23 on,then we all could be in trouble. Security
24 right? 24 should know whaYs going on outside of the lounge.
25 MS. KAZI: No,no, no. 25 Who is driving by,who is hanging out unless they're
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1 talking for more than ten minutes. 1 my parking lot is clear out and people are always
2 Because I was told by some,a 2 sitting.
3 (indiscernible)crime prevention for Renton City, 3 There are people that I don't know. There
4 she was,she told me that,you know,you have 4 are people that come into the lounge, but there are
5 security,tell him to always pay attention,walk 5 people that I don't know(indiscernible). So I make
6 around the lot, make sure everything is fine,watch 6 sure I call(indiscernible)this time I can to have
7 everybody. After she told me that I make sure I 7 these people don't do this. I show them,"Hey,this
8 always keep in touch with her. So I always been 8 is not something you can do over here." Maybe some
9 going back and forth with her to make sure if I see 9 other people would be okay with it,but not me. So
10 something I expect it, I report to,"Hey,you know, 10 thaYs how it is with me.
11 I seen this person was keep looking through my 11 And I take very serious about things. And
12 window. I'm not sure who this is,could you please 12 right now,you go in my parking lot there's not even
13 have somebody supervision business for awhile until 13 a mosquito would be walking by because iYs clean
14 this matter's solved." 14 and clear. So thaYs how we make sure of the--we
15 And I have those emails too that I 15 take notes,tell them anything from the City and we
16 actually contacted her making sure that she knows 16 try to improve as much as we can. Sometimes it
17 that,you know,everything is fine. She's always 17 takes a long time,the most important things
18 been generous about it that how I am actually honest 18 mandatory to us than the least important things.
19 on top of everything. But it only happened one 19 I understand,you know,there was letter
20 time. I only ask one year. I only contacted her 20 came to my house, keep paying for sign,you know,
21 one time about this person that I thought was just 21 for paying for the outside sign and I was not doing
22 driving by looking at my business. 22 it. The reason I was not doing it because I was so
23 So the security told me this is whaYs 23 busy with so many other things that I couldn't get
24 happening. I looked it up,this is whaYs 24 to it. You know,every time--yes, I would. I
25 happening. We called her right away. So other than 25 wanted to take it out,take out the sign from
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1 that last from one year,we only make four calls to 1 (indiscernible), previous business of mine, but
2 9-1-1. First one,there was a homeless person who 2 there's no time. And I paid$900 in 2016 because of
3 actually enter,try to get inside the building. And 3 those signs. And this is something that,you know,
4 we told him we're closed and he wouldn't leave,so 4 you learn from your mistake and happened. So
5 he climbed up(indiscernible)and he tried to get 5 eventually I do get out(indiscernible).
6 inside so we called the 9-1-1. And police came and 6 Then I wanted to talk to you,everybody--
7 they called the Fire Department and they came out, 7 I'm sorry. I want to talk about,still,about
8 and police were very laughing and happy about that. 8 employee things,about some other laws in Washington
9 So yeah,anyways,and the other two times 9 State is talking about vapor law,how vapor lounge
10 was a drunk person came to the lounge and we told 10 and vapor(indiscernible)has increased. If we go
11 him we don't expect anybody who's drunk come into 11 to vapor establishments iYs the future of vapor.
12 the lounge. If you're drunk you need to leave. And 12 There's lots of employees and the law passed on it
13 both of those times there was people who didn't 13 that you can actually smoke vapor in front of a
14 wanted to leave so we had to call the police. And 14 customer including his smoke inhale,while they're
15 the other time there was four people in the parking 15 still selling vapor.
16 lot fighting for two minutes. We called the police, 16 So vapor is like(indiscernible)that is
17 but before that they already left which is couple 17 new. IYs smoking. IYs a cigarette. You can put
18 minutes. Other than that we don't make any call. 18 nicotine. You can put whatever(indiscernible)as
19 Even before that,even before that year we 19 you want or random person goes to that shop and you
20 make lots of calls to 9-1-1 and there was a reason 20 don't just purchase the vapor,you can actually
21 for it we called so many times. Every time I tell 21 smoke while you're there and there's employees
22 people don't be outside and they're outside, I call 22 working there. And there's a lounge also so you can
23 the 9-1-1. If I'm telling you to leave the property 23 try a flavor,and employees probably smoking 16
24 and you're not doing it, I'll call the police. That 24 nicotine, 16 percent of nicotine,40 percent of
25 was my thing. So I called many times to make sure 25 nicotine or who knows how much percentage. So
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1 thaYs something is okay with the law that you can 1 talk about already mentioned that many people
2 actually(indiscernible)and the customer and the 2 (indiscernible)city and the state to hookah
3 employees can vapor in front of each other. So 3 lounges,the lounge from different city. So
4 thaYs fine with the law. 4 definitely is beneficial for the Renton city, I
5 And I wanted to mention something about 5 believe, because these customers,clients they stop
6 how,why is the law so strict--the law is so 6 at the gas station or they stop in a Coke place or
7 strict with the hookah lounge in Washington State, 7 to get gas or do some shopping. So many people are
8 however,the City is because of the crime and the 8 coming to Renton city also could,you know,want to
9 violation and what happens. The thing is, last one 9 point out that also benefiting the city or local
10 year there was only four incident. There was three 10 businesses. ThaYs what I believe. So that's that.
11 doesn't even count with me because(indiscernible). 11 And okay, I believe there was concern
12 We have(indiscernible)them out where they used to 12 about my sister being there,(indiscernible). She's
13 give you service,and the other person was homeless 13 right here and behind me and she actually works for
14 guy who wouldn't be a potential threat for us. 14 (indiscernible)?
15 So this whole time and,you know,as much 15 UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Yeah.
16 as thaYs what I know. But,you know,obviously we 16 MS. KAZI: TSI. And she has a baby. He's
17 can, nothing major happened that we can actually, 17 3 years old. She comes smoke with us sometimes at
18 you know,think,okay,this is so dangerous 18 the lounge. She's not a very(indiscernible)
19 business. Nothing like that happened. The thing 19 person, back in the days,yes. But she comes
20 is,the dangers it becomes what kind of people 20 sometimes,smoke(indiscernible,and she take care
21 comes. People can die anywhere. They can die in a 21 of her son. I think thaYs what she does. You
22 school. They can die in a gas station. They can 22 know,she was there while he was there,and while I
23 die from their house. If somebody's targeted it 23 was talking to him she saw the customer needed help
24 doesn't matter where they're at,they will die. 24 and she thought she would just go and help him out.
25 (Indiscernible) 25 And thaYs what she did and because still a family
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1 So thaYs covered,the complaints,the 1 business no matter what,so(indiscernible).
2 vapor law how the United States is allowing the 2 So I think, I believe I am,you know,
3 vapor and there's no decision on hookah lounges from 3 doing as much as I can to,you know,comply with
4 the State or from the City. I wanted to talk about 4 everything. Obviously if I have some things I need
5 other state law with the hookah lounges. There are 5 to improve on I will(indiscernible)that. Concern
6 many different states hookah lounges are respected, 6 from the,you know,through friends and everything,
7 actually,and here's the law from the other states. 7 those kinds of things. But I believe like I'm doing
8 HEARING EXAMINER: Ms. Kazi,just so you 8 as much as I can but obviously everybody makes
9 understand, I have to follow Washington law. I 9 mistakes in some way or another.
10 don't have any authority to say-- 10 The other thing I wanted to talk about--
11 MS. KAZI: Okay. 11 so yeah, I think thaYs pretty much what I wanted to
12 HEARING EXAMINER: --that Washington law 12 talk about. Yeah,so.
13 is unfair and can't apply it. Yeah,thaYs the 13 HEARING EXAMINER: Okay. Ms.Clark,did
14 difference between me and judges. I have no 14 you have any questions of Ms. Kazi?
15 authority to invalidate city ordinances or state 15 MS.CLARK: I just had one question.
16 law. If you were to appeal my decision to a court 16 EXAMINATION
17 they could say it,you know,unfairly discriminates 17 BY MS.CLARK:
18 against your customs and heritage and that kind of 18 Q. When you described the process in 2015 how
19 thing. 19 you first received the business license and received
20 But thaYs--I just have to follow the 20 a notice that it had been issued in mistake,at any
21 letter of the law unfortunately,so. Yeah,just 21 time did the City ever force the business to close
22 keep that in mind in your arguments. 22 down?
23 MS. KAZI: Okay. Okay, I'm sorry. 23 A. No, because we--no,we didn't.
24 HEARING EXAMINER: Oh no,thaYs fine. 24 MS.CLARK: Okay,thank you. That was my
25 MS. KAZI: The other thing I wanted to 25 question.
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1 HEARING EXAMINER: Okay, I just had a few 1 (indiscernible).
2 myself. 2 Q. And so there's a kitchen. I mean what do
3 EXAMINATION 3 you serve,is it just beverages or what else?
4 BY HEARING EXAMINER: 4 A. So what I mean is like my kitchen,
5 Q. So currently how many people are paid to 5 regardless of anything else we have a big kitchen.
6 help operate your business when people are there 6 So sometimes I have to get Saturdays because I have
7 smoking the hookah? I mean there's security guards, 7 two hood, right,so the Fire Department wants me to
8 is there anyone else thaYs paid to serve drinks or 8 service(indiscernible)or the exhaust system.
9 do anything else at the business? 9 Q. Oh, hoods. Okay.
10 A. So iYs me,Victor,the security. 10 A. They want to get all the--yeah,
11 Q. Okay. 11 regardless you take it out or away or you service
12 A. ThaYs pretty much it. 12 them. So those people,the service company come and
13 Q. And is the security person,did you make 13 do it and make sure the exhaust fan is working
14 the security person a partner,did you say,or is 14 properly, is cleaning,(indiscernible)make sure
15 that just Victor? 15 they--
16 A. No, he's not a partner yet. 16 Q. Okay. So in terms of food and beverages,
17 Q. Okay,all right. You say yet,are you 17 you're just serving beverages not food;is that
18 going to make him a partner? 18 correct?
19 A. No. 19 A. Yes.
20 Q. Okay,all right. And then your partner, 20 Q. Okay.
21 is he like--does he get like a percentage of the 21 A. But I do want to eventually--the Health
22 revenues or how do you pay your partner? 22 Department is,you know, is allow food, because I
23 A. He does get a percentage from the 23 heard from the Liquor Department told me that you
24 business. 24 can serve alcohol(indiscernible).
25 Q. Okay. And could you fire him if you 25 Q. Okay. So who serves the drinks then? Who
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1 wanted to or? 1 makes and serves the drinks? Is that you and
2 A. No. I would neverfire him. Either iYs 2 Victor?
3 determined between me and(indiscernible)some 3 A. We have canned soda,so--
4 other,you know,way that he could(indiscernible). 4 Q. Pardon?
5 Q. Okay. 5 A. Everything has can involved.
6 A. So iYs something between me and him that 6 Q. Oh,so people just take it themselves or
7 we actually talk about it to make sure everything's 7 you get it for them,okay.
8 fine. 8 Now,and just so I understand the
9 Q. Okay. So the only people that are 9 membership process correctly,so if someone wants to
10 essentially running the lounge then is you,Victor 10 be--someone can't go in your lounge unless they're
11 and the security people. There's no one else thaYs 11 a member. And if they want to be a member they have
12 paid to take care of it? I take it you must have 12 to fill out a form and then they have to wait 24
13 like maid service that comes in at night or 13 hours and then they become a member, right? And the
14 something? 14 sole criteria is just that they're the right age, is
15 A. Yes. I do have sometimes work at cleaning 15 that right?
16 the lounge, I'll hire somebody to clean 16 A. So this is something that the Health
17 (indiscernible),you know, I'll contractor it out. 17 Department came to see me when he said you have to
18 Sometimes something break down, like you have your 18 wait 24 hours to go through this whole process and
19 carpet needs to be cleaned out,so all the carpeting 19 everything. ThaYs not something that the State
20 (indiscernible),the whole carpet. Or sometimes you 20 require,from the State of Washington,ThaYs
21 will need to clean the outside and you call 21 something the settlement between the 11 hookah
22 (indiscernible). 22 lounges in Seattle(indiscernible)that you have to
23 Q. Okay. 23 wait for 24 hours.
24 A. So(indiscernible)disgusting and you have 24 I'm sure(indiscernible)people are not
25 those kinds of things taken care of that 25 liking it,something that have to follow. The
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1 reason is first you're taking individual right to 1 refills,you know,and some people smoke by
2 smoke. If I want to smoke now I come from 2 themselves or various like don't like to share with
3 (indiscernible). 3 somebody. Some people they like to share with
4 Q. No, I just want to find out what your 4 another person. Some people should share with--
5 process, iYs not why you're doing it. But so if 5 Q. I see.
6 someone who wants to be a member in your lounge they 6 A. --(indiscernible)person. So it really
7 can only get inside if you accept them as a member, 7 depends on what they want to do. We have a rule you
8 and to become a member they have to fill out a form 8 cannot have more than three people at same hookah
9 and wait 24 hours,and basically if they're over 18 9 because then we don't make money. So people,you
10 they can-- 10 know, people are there. People are there from
11 A. Yes. 11 early,from 4 o'clock until 9 o'clock, 10 o'clock
12 Q. --they're made a member. 12 sometimes,doing their job,work,you know--
13 A. Yes. 13 Q. Right.
14 Q. ThaYs what it boils down to,okay. 14 A. --on paper.
15 A. You can have those(indiscernible)the 15 Q. Okay.
16 lounge as well. 16 A. Or some people just like to be,this is
17 Q. Okay,okay. 17 their second home.
18 A. You have to have 18 no matter what. 18 Q. I see.
19 ThaYs Washington State law,you have to show ID. 19 A. Instead of being in the house.
20 Q. Okay,all right. And so in terms of the 20 Q. Yeah.
21 people that are paid to work at your business, right 21 A. So they,you know,this is,thaYs what
22 now it's just security guards,you and Victor. Were 22 they do.
23 you paying anyone else before? I mean is this 23 HEARING EXAMINER: Okay, understood.
24 something recent that these are the only paid people 24 Ms. Clark,did you have any questions in
25 for your business or is that been how your business 25 light of my questions or--
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1 has been operated for the last few years? 1 EXAMINATION
2 A. Yeah. So I used to pay myself before 2 BY MS.CLARK:
3 because I used to do all the work before 3 Q. It sounds like so when someone comes to
4 (indiscernible). 4 the door and they don't have a membership what
5 Q. Oh,okay. So since 2015,'16,the only 5 happens?
6 people paid have been you,Victor and the security 6 A. So we ask them to make a membership
7 guard; is that right? 7 (indiscernible).
8 A. Victor just came recently. 8 Q. And then what happens from there?
9 Q. Oh,okay. 9 A. So they fill out the application and then
10 A. Before it was just me when we used to work 10 so we give them(indiscernible)24 hours unless you
11 from 11 or 10 o'clock in the morning to until 1 11 have(indiscernible),somebody(indiscernible)part
12 o'clock at night. 12 of the lounge or you've been to another lounge,you
13 Q. I see. I see. 13 have to(indiscernible). (Indiscernible)we have to
14 A. Sometimes try to call(indiscernible). 14 like,sorry,you know. And they get offensive,some
15 Q. Okay. And so what do you--do people, I 15 people get offensive,some people just let it go.
16 guess what do people pay for when they go to your 16 And people,we show them the
17 lounge? Do they pay for,you know,for like for the 17 (indiscernible)and make them understand
18 hour of smoking or for the tobacco products you give 18 (indiscernible). You can see a lot of the comments
19 them or how does that work? 19 in Yelp and Facebook that says(indiscernible)they
20 A. No, iYs not by hours because hours is 20 charge membership$5. This is something
21 limited,like you don't charge by hours. 21 (indiscernible).
22 (Indiscernible)hookah which is 15 to$40-- 22 MS.CLARK: Okay.
23 Q. I see. 23 HEARING EXAMINER: Okay. Did you have any
24 A. --you know, if they don't have membership 24 other witnesses, Ms. Kazi,other than yourself?
25 they pay for that and stuff like that. They get 25 MS. KAZI: I have some videos,talks about
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1 some,you know, it kind of shows what people 1 opportunity to object after seeing the video, I'm
2 (indiscernible)and talk about their experience and 2 fine with it(indiscernible).
3 how much they appreciate it,if thaYs okay to show. 3 HEARING EXAMINER: Okay,yeah,because the
4 HEARING EXAMINER: How long would they, 4 other way is that she can send the videos to you and
5 how long are the videos? 5 then you can review it. And then if you're okay
6 MS. KAZI: A couple minutes probably, 6 with it then I can review it afterwards. We can
7 three or four minutes. 7 just wrap that up through email after today.
8 HEARING EXAMINER: Okay. And did you 8 MS.CLARK: I'm perfectly comfortable,
9 submit them in advance to the City Attorney? Okay, 9 again if I can object after.
10 all right. We'll go ahead and show it. 10 HEARING EXAMINER: Yeah,yeah. Why don't
11 I think we'll have to make those exhibits 11 we,just because we're closing in on the 5 o'clock
12 then. LeYs see, I think, let's see A-17 or,excuse 12 hour,why don't we say--Ms. Kazi,if you could
13 me,A-18 will be the videos. 13 send those videos to Ms.Clark and we'll see if Ms.
14 (WHEREUPON,videos were marked as Exhibit 14 Clark has any objections. And if iYs all hunky-
15 A-18(sic)for identification.) 15 dory and there are no objections or if I overrule
16 HEARING EXAMINER: And any objections, Ms. 16 her objections,then I'll look at the videos myself
17 Clark,or? 17 afterwards then. How's that?
18 MS.CLARK: I don't know if I have an 18 MS. KAZI: (Indiscernible).
19 objection. 19 HEARING EXAMINER: Okay,all right. We'll
20 HEARING EXAMINER: Okay,see it first? 20 do it that way. Just anything else you want to
21 MS.CLARK: I don't-- 21 present?
22 HEARING EXAMINER: Yeah, I-- 22 Ms. Kazi,any--
23 MS.CLARK: --(indiscernible)found on 23 MS. KAZI: Oh. No, I believe I
24 that. So on the date that exhibits were due I 24 (indiscernible).
25 received a series of 23 emails,some attaching one 25 HEARING EXAMINER: Okay,all right. Yeah,
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1 file,some attaching multiple files. If I printed 1 so when we get to the end of the hearing today,
2 them all I believe it would have exceeded 1,000 2 remind me. We'll set up deadlines for you to send
3 pages. None of it was numbered, none of it was 3 the videos to Ms. Clark and see if Ms.Clark has any
4 labeled. I don't recall having two videos,and I so 4 objections. She can view them and then afterwards
5 I don't know if I object to these videos,and I may. 5 I'll probably view them.
6 So I reserve the right to object and I 6 So,all right,IeYs see. And you said
7 don't yet agree to admit them. 7 you didn't--no other witnesses then,so other than
8 MS. KAZI: Okay, I actually listed those 8 your video ones?
9 videos(indiscernible). 9 MS. KAZI: I don't have any witnesses, but
10 HEARING EXAMINER: In any one of your 10 I do want to mention that this is very important for
11 emails to Ms.Clark; is that right? Okay. 11 our culture and very important for our people,very
12 MS.CLARK: I believe that I understand. 12 important for this whole(indiscernible). IYs very
13 And so there were witnesses who were listed as 13 important in their life the hookah,what it means to
14 possibly testifying by video,yes. 14 them and they appreciate the business. They
15 HEARING EXAMINER: Oh. 15 appreciate that we are there for them.
16 MS.CLARK: Definitely received the 16 They appreciate that they come and have a
17 disclosure of witnesses. However, now I'm more 17 great hookah experience(indiscernible)having a bad
18 confident that I did not receive actual videos. 18 hookah experience somewhere else. And not only that
19 HEARING EXAMINER: Okay,oh. Hm. 19 they appreciate,the customer appreciate that our
20 MS. KAZI: So I'm not sure if necessary 20 lounge is very nice and relaxing. Some of those
21 just the video is to send it out or should I,you 21 lounges where if they have to go through many
22 know, I should show the video, but any 22 problems,there are,you know,as we can see many
23 (indiscernible)videos would be a testimony 23 hookah lounges they don't know how to control their
24 (indiscernible). 24 business where they have to check people to let them
25 MS.CLARK: As long as I have the 25 in. This kind of thing,other hookah lounges just
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1 cannot maintain it. 1 not showing it to minors. Minors are not seeing it
2 And I believe I am doing as much as to 2 in the school or inside the house or in an event.
3 make sure that we really find out, keep an eye on 3 You're doing it at closed place where nobody knows
4 customers(indiscernible),find out customers' 4 what is your mom doing or what is your dad doing or
5 action and interest in customer. And if it doesn't 5 what is your cousins doing,you know,they do it,
6 work out we tell them iYs not the place for them. 6 thaYs it.
7 So this is what we've been doing and I think,you 7 You know, regardless(indiscernible)you
8 know,any business if you don't know how to control 8 want to find out later that you want to find out
9 your business obviously you're not meant for it. 9 now. So thaYs what I wanted to say.
10 So,and those customers they appreciate it a lot. 10 HEARING EXAMINER: Okay,thank you. Thank
11 This is very important that they come from work, 11 you.
12 they leave from their work,at 2 o'clock they come 12 All right,Ms. Clark. You get to rebuttal
13 to come and smoke hookah and enjoy,get out their 13 there,any rebuttal evidence? And we have separate
14 laptop. I have some pictures. They're always 14 closings,don't forget.
15 working and they show everything is fine. And this 15 MS.CLARK: Yeah. We don't have,the City
16 is to them very appreciation. 16 does not have any rebuttal.
17 ThaYs as much as I can tell you. IYs 17 HEARING EXAMINER: Okay,all right. Okay.
18 appreciation for me also because I can meet with 18 And Ms. Kazi, I didn't stop you. It
19 many different culture people. I can meet with 19 sounds like you just made your closing comments and
20 people who are older than me,younger than me,who 20 thaYs fine. I didn't want to interrupt you. But
21 are in the mid-age. I mean everybody. And we talk 21 we did have a separate closing argument and now you
22 about lives and we talk about what's politics. We 22 get a closing argument. It sounds like you just
23 talk about everything in life general. 23 made it though.
24 And,you know,everybody talk about what 24 Was there anything you wanted to add to
25 they're going through or how happy they are or is 25 your closing comments? It was well said what you
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1 iYs a(indiscernible)gathering place and iYs very 1 said.
2 important because you don't get to see this 2 MS. KAZI: Thank you.
3 anywhere. And you can have a little wine bar and 3 HEARING EXAMINER: So okay,you covered
4 have a wine and eventually you'll get drunk and get 4 it,all right.
5 into car. And see, it's not same thing with hookah, 5 So, Ms.Clark,you get the final closing
6 it doesn't make you drunk. You aren't drunk. 6 argument then.
7 You're not in stable mind and you cannot 7 MS.CLARK: Okay. Thank you, Mr. Hearing
8 do your business work when you(indiscernible). 8 Examiner.
9 IYs definitely something, regardless you can take 9 So let me begin by the code basis for the
10 it or do it here or are they going to do it at their 10 City's denial of the business license renewal and
11 house. If they do it at the house they're exposing 11 then also the order to close the business. So the
12 it to secondhand smoke for sure because the 12 code basis in the Renton Municipal Code is 5-5-3
13 atmosphere they are in,their wife maybe not liking 13 subsection G7. And there the code provides that the
14 it or the kids they're surrounded by and they're 14 administrator,and in this case the administrator is
15 exposed to that. 15 designee, Ms.Weldon, may serve a notice ordering a
16 You know,when I was little,when my dad 16 business to close and to discontinue operation if a
17 was had smoked he used to smoke cigarette six times 17 business operates without a valid business license
18 a day. And eventually when I was 7 or 8 I stole a 18 or violates any provision later in the section of
19 cigarette from him(indiscernible). Yes,and I did 19 the code.
20 that because I wanted to know why he smoking certain 20 So moving later in the section,5-5-3
21 thing,and after that I didn't because I didn't like 21 subsection G5,5 provides that a business license may
22 it. 22 be revoked or refused to be denied or is otherwise
23 But my point is, regardless if you,you 23 in violation when it violates federal,state or
24 rather do something like this,smoking in a place 24 municipal law or violates any health regulation.
25 where you don't show it to minors,your business is 25 So, here,the City in large part is referring to the
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1 findings of King County Public Health that this 1 gives us the three issues that are present in this
2 business is in violation of state, local law and 2 appeal hearing. Those three issues are whether
3 health regulations. 3 smoking was an issue,whether Kazi's is a public
4 So although during the course of the 4 place,and finally whether Kazi's is a place of
5 hearing there was significant testimony about 5 employment.
6 whether there was(indiscernible)a disparate impact 6 As I mentioned,there are county and
7 on a different cultural group,the City's basis for 7 health regulations that implement the indoor smoking
8 ordering the business to close and for denying the 8 ban. At the county level it is Board of Health
9 renewal is 100 percent based on the state law on the 9 Chapter 19.03,and the Hearing Examiner will find
10 indoor smoking ban,and then King County Public 10 that those provisions mirror the language of the
11 Health's interpretation of that law through both 11 state law. They have definitions for smoking, place
12 King County Public Health Board or Health code,and 12 of employment and public place that all mirror the
13 in addition the health regulations that King County 13 language of the state law.
14 has enacted. 14 So,turning to those three issues,first,
15 So the City's basis for denying the 15 whether smoking was present in the Kazi's business,
16 business license renewal and ordering the business 16 so at RCW 70.160.020,which is the definition
17 to close have nothing to do with cultural 17 section for the indoor smoking ban and there is an
18 considerations or a disparate impact among any 18 identical definition in the King County Board of
19 particular groups within the city of Renton or 19 Health regulations,smoke or smoking means the
20 elsewhere. It is 100 percent based on the indoor 20 carrying or smoking of any kind of lighted pipe,
21 smoking ban at the state, local and county levels. 21 cigar,cigarette or any other lighted smoke
22 So the indoor smoking ban originated,as 22 equipment.
23 the Hearing Examiner likely knows,through an 23 And so, here,the findings of the Public
24 initiative passed by the voters of Washington. It 24 Health Inspector, Mr.Pajimula,and Ms. Kazi's own
25 was Initiative 901 that was passed in November of 25 testimony, leave no doubt that there is lit charcoal
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1 2005. And so looking at the initiative that was 1 that is at least an element of the business. So
2 passed, it was the voice of the people,voters of 2 thaYs the first element is met there is smoking
3 Washington who chose to, in fact,impose upon the 3 involved.
4 people a limitation of freedoms,so the limitation, 4 The next question is whether Kazi's is a
5 clearly,from choosing to smoke in indoor places if 5 public place under the statute,and same RCW
6 they were either places of employment or public 6 definition provision 70.160.020. And a public place
7 places. 7 means,and I'm reading in part,that portion of any
8 There is little case law of the validity 8 building used by and open to the public. That can
9 of the initiative which was codified at RCW Chapter 9 expressly include under the statutory definition
10 70.160. However,there has been a constitutional 10 restaurants, bars and taverns.
11 challenge to the initiative and the Supreme Court 11 So then before I discuss the guidelines,
12 did uphold the constitutional challenges. So that 12 that Public Health promulgated further defining what
13 case is American Legion Post v. Department of 13 it means to be a public place versus a private
14 Health,and the cite to that decision is 164 Wash.2d 14 place,there is a Washington State Supreme Court
15 570. IYs a 2008 decision. 15 case that looks at the question of whether a club
16 And in that case the Supreme Court looked 16 was a private club or open to the public. So the
17 at challenges based on due process claims,people 17 context was a bit different there, it was in the
18 protection claims and void for vagueness claims and 18 case of a discrimination issue. I believe it was an
19 upheld the initiative on all respect. Furthermore, 19 Eagle's club that was at issue. And so there the
20 the court in that case went on to find that smoking 20 exclusion of women from membership could be upheld
21 is not a fundamental right and thaYs at 600. So 21 if the place was considered to be a private
22 the indoor smoking ban,so the codification of the 22 association.
23 initiative provides at 70,sorry, RCW 70.160.050 23 So the Supreme Court in the Tenino Aerie
24 that owners shall prohibit smoking in public places 24 v.Grand Aerie case--and the cite to that is 148
25 and places of employment,so that the statute itself 25 Wash.2d 224 and thaYs a 2002 case--the Washington
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1 Supreme Court in establishing criteria for how to 1 that is all that is done.
2 distinguish between a place as being private or 2 There is no evaluation of the applicanYs
3 public leaned heavily upon a U.S.Supreme Court,the 3 compliance or lack of compliance with any stated
4 Roberts decision in that case. 4 membership criteria. ThaYs the selectivity
5 And so our Supreme Court came up with a 5 criterion is not met. And from the Public Health
6 list of inquiries that a court should ask itself in 6 inspections from February 2017 through April of
7 determining whether a place is public or private,so 7 2018,the findings of the inspector made over that
8 that query involves the following:An organization's 8 course of more than a year also support that the
9 size, purpose,policies,selectivity,public 9 business was open to the public in that their
10 services offered,practices and other 10 repeated findings of unrestricted access to the
11 characteristics pertinent to a particular case. 11 entrance. There was a lack of documentation as to
12 However, it then continues: Emphasis should be 12 who the members were,so there was an inability to
13 placed on whether the organization is a business of 13 check when someone was at the door as to whether
14 a commercial enterprise as opposed to nonprofit,and 14 they were a member or not, in violation of the
15 whether its membership policies are so unselective 15 ability to limit the number of inembers.
16 and unrestricted that the organization can fairly be 16 So then the third issue is whether the
17 said to offer its services to the public. 17 business is a place of employment. And there the
18 Here,the Public Health guidelines that 18 statute defines a place of employment at 70.160.020
19 are Exhibit COR-11 are consistent with our 19 as a place under the control of the owner in which
20 Washington Supreme Court's direction in the Tenino 20 employees are required to pass through during the
21 Aerie case in that the public place criteria that 21 course of employment,entrances and exits to the
22 have been adopted by Public Health regulations 22 places employment are included.
23 require that in order to b a non-public place and a 23 And so, here,there is some question as to
24 truly private organization,there must be 24 whether Mr.Senny(phonetic)and Mr.Crombie are
25 selectivity, restrictiveness and limited numbers. 25 employees or not. It sounds like they're business
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1 So, here,the City,although it sounds 1 partners but in another location and so there's a
2 like there was a child under the age of 3 at least 2 question as to whether their helping out at the
3 once in the operation, it does sound like the 3 Renton location could be deemed employment;sounds
4 testimony indicates that the restrictive criterion 4 like there's a question as to whether friends
5 is met in that numbers are restricted to those of 5 helping out can be deemed employees or not.
6 smoking age. In addition,there was testimony at 6 Yelp and Facebook information show that
7 least as to an effort on the owner's part to meet 7 there were at least on several occasions either DJs
8 the limited criteria in that there is an effort to 8 or belly dancers and there's a question as to
9 cap the number of inembers to 2,500 as provided in 9 whether they were volunteering or friends orjust
10 the guidelines. However,there is no evidence to 10 helping out or employees. However, it is undisputed
11 prove the selective criteria that the guidelines 11 that there is, I believe it was on each of the
12 present,and that as read in the Supreme Court case, 12 inspections by King County Public Health there was a
13 our Supreme Court has determined to actually be 13 security guard who was inside or had just come from
14 where the emphasis of the court should be and that 14 inside. And so it is undisputed at least as to the
15 is whether there is policies that are so unselective 15 security guard that Kazi's is a place of employment.
16 and unrestricted such as the place may be fairly 16 Finally,the American Legion case,which I cited for
17 open to the public. 17 as having upheld the constitutionality of Initiative
18 So, here,the testimony indicates that the 18 901,emphasized again that if a place offers indoor
19 operation does appear to be open to the public in 19 smoking then it is a violation of the indoor smoking
20 terms of selectivity. There are no criteria of who 20 ban if it is a place of employment or a public place
21 can join based on their purpose or based on the 21 or both. And so,here, King County found that
22 outcome of the business or based on any particular 22 Kazi's is a place where smoking occurs. IYs also a
23 criteria,it is simply anyone who comes to the door. 23 public place and finally that it is also a place of
24 It sounds like it can happen on a referral basis or 24 employment.
25 otherwise and then there is a waiting period,but 25 And based upon the King County Public
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1 Health's(indiscernible)determination in an April 1 you make reference to the guidelines by Department
2 16th letter,which is Exhibit 3,the City concluded 2 counsel. Those have been adopted as regulations; is
3 that there was a violation of state and local law 3 that correct? If I look at 19.03 will they be all
4 and health regulation and that will properly issue 4 spelled out there?
5 an order to close the business and we ask that that 5 MS.CLARK: That is an excellent point.
6 order be affirmed. 6 The regulations are in 19.03 Public Health Code.
7 HEARING EXAMINER: Okay. Unfortunately, 7 The guidelines, I believe,are--I don't want to
8 my laptop batteryjust went out,so I'm kind of 8 mischaracterize what(indiscernible),but I believe
9 quoting from memory G7,the code provision you're 9 that they are truly operating guidelines, practices
10 relying on for this. I think when it talks about 10 and procedures of Public Health.
11 remedies it says that the examiner shall affirm the 11 HEARING EXAMINER: I mean because you had
12 closing of the business if iYs established that the 12 quoted from the City Code that said if they're in
13 business has failed to abate. In other words iYs 13 violation of statutes or I believe it was
14 still currently operating in violation. 14 regulations that--
15 So on the employee issue, I mean if the 15 MS.CLARK: Yes.
16 evidence shows that the only employee at this point 16 HEARING EXAMINER: But if the guidelines
17 is the security guard and it was an issue of the 17 aren't regulations are they applicable here then?
18 fact that the security guard happened to be inside a 18 MS.CLARK: Yeah,yeah. And thank you for
19 couple of times in the past, I mean can I really 19 that question.
20 make a finding that currently, I mean it sounds like 20 HEARING EXAMINER: Yeah.
21 Ms. Kazi is now taking the effort to tell the 21 MS.CLARK: I should have clarified. What
22 security guard to stay outside. So could I still, 22 I meant was that the health regulations are King
23 given those circumstances,come up with,you know, 23 County Board of Health Chapter 19.03 which is the
24 (indiscernible)was a finding that currently the way 24 county implementation of the indoor smoking ban.
25 the business is being operated,you know,employees 25 And for Public Health's own purposes in determining
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1 are working inside and subject to that smoke? 1 compliance and in conducting inspections it has
2 MS.CLARK: Yes. 2 developed the guidelines to flesh out what the
3 HEARING EXAMINER: Okay. Well,how? 3 health regulations set forth in Board of Health
4 Yeah. 4 Chapter 19.03 provides.
5 MS.CLARK: And here's why. 5 HEARING EXAMINER: So you think that--I
6 HEARING EXAMINER: Okay. 6 mean the City position is those qualify as
7 MS.CLARK: So under principles 7 regulations under the City's business license
8 articulated I think perhaps most famously in that 8 regulations then?
9 Supreme Court's the Gwaltney case,which I cannot 9 MS.CLARK: The City's position is that
10 give you the cite for but I think iYs somewhere 10 King County Board of Health Chapter 19.03 is a
11 around 505 U.S.that was an environmental case. But 11 health regulation.
12 the court held that if a violation is recurrent, 12 HEARING EXAMINER: Yeah,but you said the
13 without any remedying steps having been shown to 13 guidelines aren't part of 19.03. They were adopted
14 prevent a recurrence of the issue,it is deemed an 14 to implement 19.03 or something.
15 ongoing violation. 15 MS.CLARK: Yeah. And so,yes,and I'm
16 HEARING EXAMINER: Okay. 16 not trying to say otherwise. The City's position is
17 MS.CLARK: And so here the testimony was 17 that King County Public Health is charged with
18 that the business owner,when the inspector was 18 (indiscernible)for enforcing and implementing the
19 present, in front of the inspector said,you know, 19 indoor smoking ban. And so what it has done
20 "Don't be inside." However,each successive time 20 regulations and laws-wise is it has adopted Chapter
21 that the inspector appeared that same issue was 21 19.03 of the Board of Health regulations that as I
22 occurring. And so, here,there we have the Hearing 22 indicated before mirror the state law.
23 Examiner has no reasonable basis to expect that the 23 HEARING EXAMINER: Right.
24 outcome has changed. 24 MS.CLARK: And so within its authority to
25 HEARING EXAMINER: Okay,okay. And also 25 then implement the indoor smoking ban and measure a
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1 compliance within King County,there is a certain 1 into the King County regulations and the evidence.
2 level of deference that ought to be given to the 2 What I typically do after hearings
3 County as to how it interprets its own code in its 3 especially this length,as one of the people working
4 capacity for enforcing a law within the county. 4 for me then gives me a summary of the three-hour
5 HEARING EXAMINER: Okay. So they can be 5 hearing and I go over everything in detail and I can
6 viewed as kind of interpretations of 19.03 in one 6 look up parts where iYs unclear,you know,or I
7 sense. Because there was one part I was having a 7 can't remember what was said. So I'm going to
8 little trouble with was,you know,county officials 8 examine the evidence that was produced today very
9 saying that they found that it was open to the 9 carefully and see how the law applies.
10 public because Ms. Kazi wasn't able to show the 10 As I mentioned, Ms. Kazi,you know, I
11 membership roles,you know. 11 don't have the authority to invalidate any
12 And if the regulation is,you know,thou 12 regulations or l don't have the discretion to say,
13 shalt have membership standards,the failure to show 13 "Well,this is an unfair,ridiculous law, I'm not
14 membership rolls doesn't establish that there isn't 14 going to apply it." I have to apply whatever's on
15 a membership program in place. It's an evidentiary 15 the books. And so thaYs how,you know,my
16 problem at the time that she wasn't able to make her 16 decision's going to be guided.
17 case,but if she could prove that now,you know, it 17 And I really want to say too that you are
18 seems to supersede the fact she wasn't able to 18 a very impressive,articulate,very smart person and
19 produce the documentation required at the time,so. 19 you certainly sound to me like a responsible
20 MS.CLARK: Yes. And it is for that 20 business owner,you know, but responsibility isn't a
21 precise reason-- 21 key factor in this. The issue is whether you're
22 HEARING EXAMINER: Yeah. 22 violating Washington smoking laws and King County
23 MS.CLARK: --that I said I read the 23 regulations that implement that.
24 provisions of the statute-- 24 So that is what I have to look at and,you
25 HEARING EXAMINER: Right. 25 know, personally I'd,you know,if a bunch of people
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2 bones. That it does provide a definition of what a 2 and everyone's consenting, I don't know what the
3 public place is, but it is not descriptive in how to 3 problem is. But,you know,if thaYs the law,
4 make that determination-- 4 thaYs the law and I've got to follow it. So I've
5 HEARING EXAMINER: Yeah,yeah. 5 got some work ahead of ine and I'll be looking at
6 MS.CLARK: --or not,which is why the 6 that very closely.
7 Washington Supreme Court in--although not directly 7 Now in terms of the videos, let's see,can
8 on point, it does provide useful guidance as to how 8 you get that to Ms.Clark by next Monday at 5
9 our Supreme Court might evaluate the public place 9 o'clock,we'll say,and then, Ms.Clark,let me know
10 question within the context of Initiative 901. 10 if you've got any objections what,the next day? Is
11 HEARING EXAMINER: Okay. 11 24 hours enough or are you real busy then or is that
12 MS.CLARK: And that again as I mentioned 12 --okay.
13 that King County Public Health is due some deference 13 MS.CLARK: (Indiscernible).
14 in its capacity as the agency tasked with enforcing 14 HEARING EXAMINER: Yeah,just let me know
15 -- 15 by the next day. And you can just include me and
16 HEARING EXAMINER: Yeah,yeah. 16 Ms. Moya,yourself and Ms. Kazi,we'll all be in the
17 MS.CLARK: --the state law. 17 same email string where we do that. So when you
18 HEARING EXAMINER: Okay,makes sense, 18 send the video clip to Ms.Clark,cc: me and Ms.
19 great. 19 Moya. I won't look at the video until after any
20 Well,yeah, I'm not--well,first of all, 20 objections have been made and ruled upon.
21 of course there's still some evidence thaYs going 21 But then Ms.Clark will let me know by the
22 to be considered after the close of the hearing 22 next day if she has any problems. If there is,then
23 today,the video,so I couldn't if I wanted to say 23 I'll entertain arguments,you know,on whether or
24 which way I'm going to rule. But I can't say,at 24 not the video should be admitted,and then if I say
25 this point I don't know because I really have to dig 25 it is admitted then I'll look at it. ThaYs how
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4 you know,did a good job of representing their
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6 and I almost want to go to a hookah lounge just to
7 see what it looks like. But anyway,appreciate your
8 testimony today and we're done for this afternoon.
9 Thank you.
10 MS. KAZI: Thank you.
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