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HomeMy WebLinkAbout06/25/2019 - Minutes Renton Airport Administration Office Clayton Scott Field and Will Rogers-Wiley Post Memorial Seaplane Base 616 West Perimeter Road, Unit A, Renton WA 98057 425-430-7471 1 Renton Airport Advisory Committee Meeting Master Plan Landside Alternatives Tuesday, June 25, 2019, 5:30pm – 7:50pm Attendees: RAAC members; Airport tenants; Ryan Orth, EnviroIssues (facilitator); Ryan Hayes, Mead & Hunt (via Skype); Casey Boatman, Airport Business Coordinator; Councilmember Randy Corman; Gregg Zimmerman, Public Works Administrator; Jim Seitz, Transportation Systems Director; Will Adams, Airport Engineer; Susan Campbell-Hehr, Airport Administrative Support Introductions: Marleen Mandt, RAAC Chair, introduced Ryan Orth with EnviroIssues as the meeting facilitator Review Process and Schedule  Purpose of the meeting and process is to review feedback for eventual packaging of alternatives and/or feedback, as determined by the RAAC, to provide to City Council for their decision  To-date, 130 responses were received from the online survey  Gregg Zimmerman, Public Works Administrator, provided an update on the schedule for the City’s selection of a landside alternative o Delay bringing landside alternatives to the Committee of the Whole to allow time for tenants, RAAC members, and stakeholders to do a full review of the alternatives o FAA’s grant completion deadline for the Master Plan grant is September 30, 2019 o Stressed importance of gathering input from the stakeholders in the decision - making process, rather than meeting grant deadlines  Additional feedback and discussion anticipated between now and next RAAC meeting on August 13, 2019 Renton Airport Administration Office Clayton Scott Field and Will Rogers-Wiley Post Memorial Seaplane Base 616 West Perimeter Road, Unit A, Renton WA 98057 425-430-7471 2 Review of Landside Alternatives  Ryan Hayes and Ryan Orth presented the overview and review of alternatives, as presented in the Landside Alternatives Analysis chapter  Alternatives Review o Area 1  Existing/Minimal  No change to land use  Hangars penetrate object free area  Can apply for modification to standards  Alternative 1  Modification to standards for hangar building in object free area o Area 2  Existing/Minimal  No change to land use  Alternative 1  Reconfigure land use of Apron B to shift industrial aviation south and move general aviation (GA) from south to north end o Area 3  Existing/Minimal  Minimal land use change  Modification to standards for southeast taxilane  Alternative 1  Reconfigure to allow object free area along taxilane  Alternative 2  Optional reconfiguration to allow object free area along taxilane o Area 4  Existing/Minimal  No change to land use, except to remove hangars from object free area  Alternative 1  Relocate River Hangar building A and Boeing’s compass rose to outside of the object free area  Alternative 2  Land use change of GA (currently east tiedowns) to industrial aviation o Seaplane Dock Area  Alternative 1  Expand seaplane parking and relocate dock to outside object free area  Modification to standards for launch ramp  Alternative 2 Renton Airport Administration Office Clayton Scott Field and Will Rogers-Wiley Post Memorial Seaplane Base 616 West Perimeter Road, Unit A, Renton WA 98057 425-430-7471 3  Acquire adjacent property (trailer park) to add seaplane parking Landside Alternatives feedback refinement  Ryan Orth, EnviroIssues, presented comment themes received through the online survey and other comments. Comment themes are captured in the overview matrix document; detailed comments by alternative and topic are available in the supplemental information. Ryan Hayes provided additional context to several of the comment themes.  Area 1 o Concern: over removing buildings and apron service roads o Response: buildings and apron service roads cannot remain in ROFA unless the City applies for a modification to standards with the FAA o Concern: runup apron being eliminated o Response: this is more applicable to the Airside Alternative, and there is an option to use bypass taxiways to accommodate runups  Area 2 o Concern: depth of apron after meeting standards is not enough for new model large jet lengths o Response: the City can apply for a modification to standards for hangars that penetrate the ROFA and stall depth in Apron B o Concern: relocating Perimeter Road o Concern: under Alternative 1, the City has no specific development proposal for the Leven hangars o Concern: run-up area o Concern: balance of number of hangars; net gain/loss  Area 3 o Concern: under Alternative 1, there is a lack of value in different types of hangars (number and type) o Concern: difficulty in servicing seaplanes from southeast end  Area 4 o Concern: relocating River Hangars and Compass Rose outside of the ROFA o Concern: Doug Barritt, River Hangar tenant, raised the concern of many River Hangar pilots that there are many hangared planes that are owned by multiple pilots (some have 50 members) and replacing the existing River Hangar A building with a smaller one will displace several of these planes and their pilots; interpretation - the loss of one hangar equates to the loss of many pilots o Concern: John Carson, Sky Signs (banner tow operator), raised his concern with eliminating River Hangar A and replacing it with a smaller hangar. This could displace him, and without a hangar to store his banner tow planes in he will have to close his business. o Response: Councilmember Randy Corman commented that Council wants to get details, and identify all operational and monetary losses to consider requesting modifications to standards. He pointed out that there are a lot of Renton Airport Administration Office Clayton Scott Field and Will Rogers-Wiley Post Memorial Seaplane Base 616 West Perimeter Road, Unit A, Renton WA 98057 425-430-7471 4 steps being looked at to protecting landings, even though most large jet operations are only takeoffs. The City will look at the comprehensive loss of tiedowns and hangars, and Councilmember Corman urged Airport users to quantify their anticipated losses, including implied or indirect losses. o Concern: Rob Spitzer commented that the City should exhaust remedies with the FAA first. Nothing is set in stone and there is room for negotiation. The alternatives are a wholesale change to the Airport, designating dramatic changes to the seaplane facilities which is a historic facility. The landside alternatives effectively eliminate the seaplane facility. He continued to comment that removing the large general aviation base for just a couple hundred takeoffs by the large jets is not okay, and that there is no good choice between Landside Alternative 1 or 2. Rob requested that the City go to the FAA and find a solution to balance general aviation with large jet operations. There is the potential loss of land connection to the seaplane base, which is the connection that makes the Will Rogers-Wiley Post Memorial Seaplane base very unique. o Concern: Rashell Rosenkranz, Green River Chapter-WA Pilots Association President, reiterated Rob Spitzer’s concerns of the effects of the design standard changing from class B to D-III. “Airports expected to accommodate single-engine airplanes normally fall into Airport Reference Code A-1 or B-1. Airports serving larger general aviation and commuter-type planes are usually under Airport Reference Code B-II or B-III. Small to medium-sized airports serving air carriers are usually Airport Reference Code C-III, while larger air carrier airports are usually Airport Reference Code D-VI or D-V,” (http://aireform.com/faas-airport- reference-codes/). o Concern: Carroll Martell, River Hangar tenant (Hi-Line Flying Club), commented that in the past when the FAA required design standard changes, during early military operations, the FAA was questioned on how the Airport could meet the standards without causing large impacts to operations. o Concern: John Carson, Sky Signs Banner Towing, turns out pilots who go on to become airline pilots as a direct result of the training they receive o Concern: Rashell Rosenkranz, Green River Chapter-WA Pilots Association President, commented that the Airport was chosen for emergency operations earlier this year, because of its unique land runway and water runway connection o Concern: Acquisition of the parcel north of the Airport depicted in Seaplane Area 2, may not be possible because the land is not within the City of Renton limits o Concern: Shane Carlson, Northwest Seaplanes Inc, has been a seaplane operator at the Airport for 30 years and is concerned that the tenants have to “choose their fate” with Landside Alternative 1, or Landside Alternative 2, and that these two alternatives were put together without consulting with seaplane operators. The seaplane base’s current configuration had already gone through a rigorous process in the late 1990’s when the dock was redesigned, which took multi ple Renton Airport Administration Office Clayton Scott Field and Will Rogers-Wiley Post Memorial Seaplane Base 616 West Perimeter Road, Unit A, Renton WA 98057 425-430-7471 5 years to complete and took into consideration the prevailing winds and currents that affect a seaplane operator’s ability to safely dock and depart the dock system. Neither Alternative 1, nor Alternative 2, take the prevailing winds into consideration in their preliminary layout, and would cause a significant reduction or even loss of the use of the seaplane base in its entirety. o Concern: Eric Vasilik, River Hangar tenant, stated his concern as a new pilot and River Hangar tenant, that if hangars are eliminated there is no other place for pilots to keep their planes in the region. It is not just a matter of relocating, but it means selling the planes and no longer flying. He feels that he is very fortunate to have found a hangar at Renton after searching for space at the other airports in the area, because the other airports have such limited storage for general aviation. Boeing Field has priced their hangars to cater to corporate and cargo jets. o Concern: Doug Barritt, River Hangars, suggested that t he City continue allowing the use of River Hangar building A for aircraft storage until the replacement building is finished, to eliminate displacement of hangared aircraft.  Questions and responses (participants shared additional comments and questions; responses are noted where given) o Question: Rob Spitzer, AOPA, asked what is driving the class change from B to D -III o Response: Ryan Hayes responded that the annual operations maximum limit for a certain size aircraft is 500 (takeoffs landings) and then the FAA requires the airport to upgrade to meet standards for that size aircraft , and Renton has exceeded that limit o Question: Karen Stemwell, AOPA, asked how many annual operations the Airport has above the 500 threshold. o Response: Ryan Hayes responded that the total annual large jet operations is in the 700 – 800 range, so Airport operations have exceeded the 500 threshold by 200-300 annual operations o Question: Jeanne DeMund, Kennydale, asked if there is a waiver process with the FAA? o Question: Rob Spitzer, AOPA, asked if the City has formally appealed the FAA’s requirement to upgrade the Airport’s the classification? o Question: Rob Spitzer, AOPA, asked about the displacement of the seaplane facility o Response: Ryan Hayes responded that the Landside Alternatives diagram is a high-level design, and the proposed seaplane dock system has not been developed in this phase of the Master Plan project; that is scheduled during the Airport Layout Plan phase o Question: Melody Kroeger, Renton Hill, asked what the associated revenues and expenses are for each alternative, and what the net change is in hangar space for each o Question: Stephen Ratzlaff, Washington Seaplane Pilots Association, asked for the consultant to quantify net loss to the seaplane facility Renton Airport Administration Office Clayton Scott Field and Will Rogers-Wiley Post Memorial Seaplane Base 616 West Perimeter Road, Unit A, Renton WA 98057 425-430-7471 6 o Question: Matt Devine, Talbot Hill, asked how the landside alternatives would have changed if the City had selected Airside Alternative 4 instead of 5 o Question: John Carson, Sky Signs Banner Towing, asked how he can continue operating his banner towing business once his hangar is eliminated o Response: Gregg Zimmerman responded that the FAA is giving the City one year to resolve the River Hangar A building relocation, but it sounds like the City will have to explore the modification to standards process o Ryan Hayes clarified that the entire airfield reconfiguration is done unde r the Environmental Impact Statement (EIS), and the hangars won’t need to be removed until the EIS is complete in five to eight years. o Question: Jeanne DeMund, Kennydale, asked for data relating to dollars and asked if the City will take a second look at the Airside Alternative with economic data included? She also asked if the FAA funds property acquisitions. o Response: Gregg Zimmerman, responded that the City looked at the comprehensive impacts to the rest of the City; the large difference in the number of parcels needing to be acquired under each alternative, the downtown development plan, and transportation plans to convert downtown 2nd and 3rd Avenues to two-way streets. The City felt the south shift would be detrimental to these plans. FAA grant funding can be used for property acquisition. o Response: Councilmember Randy Corman, added that City staff provided a recommendation and it was not an easy call for Council to select an airside alternative, and there are challenges to using eminent domain. The Council wants the FAA to look at extending to the north first, but having the shift to the north clarified will make property acquisition, and possibly eminent domain, necessary if the north shift fails during the EIS. Councilmember Corman also agreed that as an existing airport, the City can apply to the FAA fo r a modification to standards. o Question: Will the information on impacts to the neighborhoods be provided before a decision is made? o Response: Gregg Zimmerman responded that the EIS is an exhaustive process and impacts to the neighborhoods will be a major focus o Question: Rick Lentz, River Hangar tenant, asked if the City will question the FAA’s requirement to change the design standard. o Question: Rick Lentz also asked how many large jets, versus corporate jets, make up the operations count, and urged the City to consider the good safety record the Airport has had for many years o Question: Melody Kroeger, Renton Hill, asked if all alternatives are contingent on the class change to D-III o Response: Ryan Hayes responded that the Renton Airport is a federally funded airport and the requirement is that it meet FAA standards, otherwise the FAA can pull grant funding Renton Airport Administration Office Clayton Scott Field and Will Rogers-Wiley Post Memorial Seaplane Base 616 West Perimeter Road, Unit A, Renton WA 98057 425-430-7471 7 o Question: Rashell Rosenkranz, Green River Chapter-WA Pilots Association, asked how the FAA is funding the design standard changes from class B to class D-III o Question: Eric Vasilik, River Hangar tenant, asked how many related jobs are lost as a result of choosing either Alternative 1 or Alternative 2 o Question: James Mahoney, City Hangar tenant, asked if there are different losses between the City and Airport businesses o Question: John Carson asked why the old Kaynan hangars are not being used for aircraft storage o Response: Gregg Zimmerman responded that the results of a structural survey conducted when the City took ownership of the buildings concluded the buildings to be unsafe  Councilmember Randy Corman appreciates all of the comments and would like to collect as much detail from this meeting as possible, including how many new pilots won’t be trained. He understands the tenants’ and air port users’ desire to not have to choose between two alternatives that will eliminate seaplane operations and drastically reduce pilot training opportunities  Action Items: o Mead & Hunt to provide financial impact of alternatives o Mead & Hunt to provide net change in hangar space for each alternative o Mead & Hunt to provide net change in seaplane facility space o Airport Tenants and Users to provide details of direct and indirect operational and monetary losses to their operations as a result of either Alternative 1 or 2 o Mead & Hunt will revise the survey to Airport tenants and users that categorizes the quantities of the impacts Next Steps  Project team will coordinate on quantification of alternative effects. Immediate work will focus on quantifying net change in hangar space, net change in seaplane facility space, and estimates of financial impacts.  Project team will solicit additional feedback and data on Categories of Impacts from RAAC and airport tenants to incorporate in the summary materials. This may come in the form of a supplemental survey between now and the RAAC meeting on August 13, 2019. Potential categories identified by participants include: o Loss of Airport revenue from elimination of hangar leases o Loss of on-airport aviation business o Loss of business to off-airport businesses, such as hotel and transportation o Loss of pilot training opportunities and flight instruction jobs (Seaplane Scenics, BEFA, Pro-Flight Aviation, Aviation Training Center, Rainier Flight Service) o Loss of aviation mechanics o Loss of aviation refuelers o Impact/loss of hangar space o Impact/loss of tiedown space Renton Airport Administration Office Clayton Scott Field and Will Rogers-Wiley Post Memorial Seaplane Base 616 West Perimeter Road, Unit A, Renton WA 98057 425-430-7471 8 o Sunk cost for recent projects like Taxiway B reconstruct and recently replaced Boeing North Bridge o Direct and indirect job loss and direct and indirect economic impact o Impact on 737 production o Loss of historic seaplane base as a result of significant capacity reduction o Higher rental rates for tenants in rebuilt hangars may cause higher paying tenants (corporate owners) to out-price general aviation pilots o Impact to Boeing Field and Seatac airspace o Loss of Angel Flights and Medivac  Project team will repackage comments after receiving further feedback, including categories of concern and share for review and discussion at the August 13, 2019, RAAC meeting. Closing Remarks  Councilmember Randy Corman does not want to have a vote to select the landside alternative at this meeting. Instead, he wants the City to approach the FAA about options other than choosing one of the two alternatives. He encouraged tenants and Airport users to send letters to the FAA with this request, with the City’s support. He continued, stating that the group needs to show due diligence and also let the FAA know how the class change specifically impacts their operations.  Gregg Zimmerman, Public Works Administrator, reiterated that it is difficult for the RAAC to choose one alternative over the other, considering each has equally negative impacts to the Airport operators (choosing the lesser of two evils). He recommended that the RAAC put together a determination that the membership cannot choose either landside alternative until specific issues are resolved, and to include a list of the specific issues that need to first, be put in place. Meeting Adjourned